+1 (binding)

On Sat, Aug 15, 2026 at 9:06 AM Junwang Zhao <[email protected]> wrote:

> +1 (non-binding)
>
> On Sat, Aug 15, 2026 at 11:32 PM Maximilian Michels <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > +1 (non-binding)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Max
> >
> > Szehon Ho <[email protected]> schrieb am Fr. 14. Aug. 2026 um
> 22:07:
> >>
> >> +1
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Szehon
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 14, 2026 at 10:56 AM Matt Butrovich <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> +1 (non-binding)
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Huaxin!
> >>>
> >>> -Matt
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2026 at 9:34 AM Talat Uyarer via dev <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> +1 non-binding
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 8:31 PM Alex Stephen via dev <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> +1 non-binding
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for driving this!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 7:17 PM Gang Wu <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> +1 (non-binding)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2026 at 9:37 AM Manu Zhang <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> +1 (non-binding)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks Huaxin!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2026 at 7:06 AM Bryan Keller <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> +1 non-binding
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2026, at 3:55 PM, Andrei Tserakhau via dev <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2026 at 12:16 AM Yufei Gu <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> +1(binding)
> >>>>>>>>> Yufei
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 1:11 PM vaquar khan <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> +1
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>> Viquar Khan
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2026, 3:04 PM Steven Wu <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> +1 (binding)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Huaxin for driving the discussion and thanks everyone
> for contributing.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 11:18 AM Xin Huang via dev <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 11:13 AM Russell Spitzer <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 (binding)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 1:07 PM Hongyue Zhang <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Huaxin!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 11:03 Gianluca Graziadei <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding )
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The asymmetric cost argument is the decisive factor for me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An equality delete allows the writer to offload work onto
> every subsequent read, and this deferred cost is neither bounded nor
> visible to the party that generated it. Deletion vectors make that cost
> explicit and ensure it is paid only once.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would also like to highlight point 3, which I think is
> underrated: making the upgrade metadata-only decouples V4 adoption from
> delete file migration. Users can move to V4 on their own timeline and
> convert equality deletes as a background maintenance task. Coupling the two
> would have turned V4 adoption into a weeks-long operational project for
> large tables.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gianluca
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno gio 13 ago 2026 alle ore 19:57 Neelesh Salian <
> [email protected]> ha scritto:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 (non binding) Thank you Huaxin.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2026 at 19:07 huaxin gao <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Following the discussion thread "[DISCUSS] Deprecate
> Equality Deletes in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Iceberg V4" [1], I'd like to call a vote on the
> following proposal for the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> V4 table spec.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proposal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Writing new equality deletes is forbidden for V4
> tables: the V4 metadata
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    will not define equality deletes as an allowed entry
> type.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Reading equality deletes remains supported in the
> reference
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    implementation for backward compatibility, both for
> existing V2/V3
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    tables and for equality deletes carried over into
> upgraded V4 tables.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Upgrading a V2/V3 table to V4 is metadata-only (no
> synchronous rewrite
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    of data or delete files). Existing equality deletes
> remain in carried-
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    over V2/V3 delete manifests; converting them to
> deletion vectors is a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    separate, optional maintenance action.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rationale
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Equality deletes impose an asymmetric cost paid on every
> read, complicate
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the format, and block features such as CDC, row lineage,
> and incremental
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> index/materialized-view maintenance. Deletion vectors
> make deletion a flat,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one-time cost, and the Flink ConvertEqualityDeletes work
> demonstrates a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> viable replacement path, so we do not need the full
> replacement completed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before forbidding new equality deletes in V4.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vote will be open for at least 72 hours.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ ] +1 Forbid writing equality deletes in V4
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ ] +0
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ ] -1 Do not forbid (please explain)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/ks01jpv40qjlvz4yop5tlqv4x5oxbwy6
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Huaxin
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
>
>
> --
> Regards
> Junwang Zhao
>

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