Guys, again, Hadoop edition is for *plug-n-play* Hadoop acceleration only. Why are we trying to add more libs to it, if the only libs required are to enable IGFS and Ignite MapReduce? It seems like we are trying to make the Hadoop accelerator into something it was never meant to be.
D. On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 1:55 AM, Sergey Kozlov <skoz...@gridgain.com> wrote: > Another point is that hadoop edition has no optional modules. It forces > user to download the fabric edition and copy module from there. > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Vladimir Ozerov <voze...@gridgain.com> > wrote: > > > Work for ourselves - is to maintain two separate editions, while > everything > > can be easily merged into a single distribution. > > > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 3:29 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <dsetrak...@apache.org > > > > wrote: > > > > > Why are we creating work for ourselves? What is wrong with having 2 > > > downloads? > > > > > > Hadoop accelerator edition exists for the following 2 purposes only: > > > > > > - accelerate HDFS with Ignite In-Memory File System (IGFS) > > > - accelerate Hadoop MapReduce with Ignite In-Memory MapReduce > > > > > > I agree with the original email from Valentin that Spark libs should > not > > be > > > included into hadoop-accelerator download. Spark integration is not > part > > of > > > Ignite Hadoop Accelerator and should be included only into the Ignite > > > fabric download. > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Sergey Kozlov <skoz...@gridgain.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > In general I agree with Vladimir but would suggest more technical > > > details: > > > > > > > > Due the need to collect particular CLASS_PATHs for fabric and hadoop > > > > editions we can change the logic of processing of libs directory > > > > > > > > 1. Introduce libs/hadoop and libs/fabric directories. These > directories > > > are > > > > root directories for specific modules for hadoop and fabric > > > > editions respectively > > > > 2. Change collecting of directories for CLASS_PATH for ignite.sh: > > > > - collect everything for libs except libs/hadoop > > > > - collect everything from libs/fabric > > > > 3. Add ignite-hadoop-accelerator.{sh|bat} script (also it may make > > > initial > > > > setup instead of setup-hadoop.sh) that constructs CLASS_PATH by > > following > > > > way: > > > > - collect everything for libs except libs/fabirc > > > > - collect everything from libs/hadoop > > > > > > > > This approach allows us following: > > > > - share common modules across both editions (just put in libs) > > > > - do not share edition-specific modules (either put in libs/hadoop > or > > in > > > > libs/fabric) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Vladimir Ozerov < > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Agree. I do not see any reasons to have two different products. > > > Instead, > > > > > just add ignite-hadoop.jar to distribution, and add separate script > > to > > > > > start Accelerator. We can go the same way as we did for > "platforms": > > > > create > > > > > separate top-level folder "hadoop" in Fabric distribution and put > all > > > > > realted Hadoop Acceleratro stuff there. > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Valentin Kulichenko < > > > > > valentin.kuliche...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > In general, I don't quite understand why we should move any > > component > > > > > > outside of Fabric. The concept of Fabric is to have everything, > no? > > > :) > > > > In > > > > > > other words, if a cluster was once setup for Hadoop Acceleration, > > why > > > > not > > > > > > allow to create a cache and/or run a task using native Ignite > APIs > > > > > sometime > > > > > > later. We follow this approach with all our components and > modules, > > > but > > > > > not > > > > > > with ignite-hadoop for some reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > If we get rid of Hadoop Accelerator build, initial setup of > Hadoop > > > > > > integration can potentially become a bit more complicated, but > with > > > > > proper > > > > > > documentation I don't think this is going to be a problem, > because > > it > > > > > > requires multiple steps now anyway. And frankly the same can be > > said > > > > > about > > > > > > any optional module we have - enabling it requires some > additional > > > > steps > > > > > as > > > > > > it doesn't work out of the box. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Val > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Denis Magda <dma...@apache.org> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Dmitriy, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > - the "lib/" folder has much fewer libraries that in fabric, > > > > simply > > > > > >> > becomes many dependencies don't make sense for hadoop > > > environment > > > > > >> > > > > > >> This reason why the discussion moved to this direction is > exactly > > in > > > > > that. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> How do we decide what should be a part of Hadoop Accelerator and > > > what > > > > > >> should be excluded? If you read through Val and Cos comments > below > > > > > you’ll > > > > > >> get more insights. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> In general, we need to have a clear understanding on what's > Hadoop > > > > > >> Accelerator distribution use case. This will help us to come up > > > with a > > > > > >> final decision. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> If the accelerator is supposed to be plugged-in into an existed > > > Hadoop > > > > > >> environment by enabling MapReduce and/IGFS at the configuration > > > level > > > > > then > > > > > >> we should simply remove ignite-indexing, ignite-spark modules > and > > > add > > > > > >> additional logging libs as well as AWS, GCE integrations’ > > packages. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> But, wait, what if a user wants to leverage from Ignite Spark > > > > > >> Integration, Ignite SQL or Geospatial queries, Ignite streaming > > > > > >> capabilities after he has already plugged-in the accelerator. > What > > > if > > > > > he is > > > > > >> ready to modify his existed code. He can’t simply switch to the > > > fabric > > > > > on > > > > > >> an application side because the fabric doesn’t include > > accelerator’s > > > > > libs > > > > > >> that are still needed. He can’t solely rely on the accelerator > > > > > distribution > > > > > >> as well which misses some libs. And, obviously, the user starts > > > > > shuffling > > > > > >> libs in between the fabric and accelerator to get what is > > required. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Vladimir, can you share your thoughts on this? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> — > > > > > >> Denis > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > On Nov 30, 2016, at 11:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan < > > > > > dsetrak...@apache.org> > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Guys, > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > I just downloaded the hadoop accelerator and here are the > > > > differences > > > > > >> from > > > > > >> > the fabric edition that jump at me right away: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > - the "bin/" folder has "setup-hadoop" scripts > > > > > >> > - the "config/" folder has "hadoop" subfolder with necessary > > > > > >> > hadoop-related configuration > > > > > >> > - the "lib/" folder has much fewer libraries that in fabric, > > > > simply > > > > > >> > becomes many dependencies don't make sense for hadoop > > > environment > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > I currently don't see how we can merge the hadoop accelerator > > with > > > > > >> standard > > > > > >> > fabric edition. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > D. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Denis Magda < > dma...@apache.org> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> Vovan, > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> As one of hadoop maintainers, please share your point of view > > on > > > > > this. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> — > > > > > >> >> Denis > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 10:49 PM, Sergey Kozlov < > > > skoz...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > >> >> wrote: > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> Denis > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> I agree that at the moment there's no reason to split into > > > fabric > > > > > and > > > > > >> >>> hadoop editions. > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 4:45 AM, Denis Magda < > > dma...@apache.org> > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>>> Hadoop Accelerator doesn’t require any additional libraries > > in > > > > > >> compare > > > > > >> >> to > > > > > >> >>>> those we have in the fabric build. It only lacks some of > them > > > as > > > > > Val > > > > > >> >>>> mentioned below. > > > > > >> >>>> > > > > > >> >>>> Wouldn’t it better to discontinue Hadoop Accelerator > edition > > > and > > > > > >> simply > > > > > >> >>>> deliver hadoop jar and its configs as a part of the fabric? > > > > > >> >>>> > > > > > >> >>>> — > > > > > >> >>>> Denis > > > > > >> >>>> > > > > > >> >>>>> On Nov 27, 2016, at 3:12 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan < > > > > > >> dsetrak...@apache.org> > > > > > >> >>>> wrote: > > > > > >> >>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>> Separate edition for the Hadoop Accelerator was primarily > > > driven > > > > > by > > > > > >> the > > > > > >> >>>>> default libraries. Hadoop Accelerator requires many more > > > > libraries > > > > > >> as > > > > > >> >>>> well > > > > > >> >>>>> as configuration settings compared to the standard fabric > > > > > download. > > > > > >> >>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>> Now, as far as spark integration is concerned, I am not > sure > > > > which > > > > > >> >>>> edition > > > > > >> >>>>> it belongs in, Hadoop Accelerator or standard fabric. > > > > > >> >>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>> D. > > > > > >> >>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>> On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Denis Magda < > > > dma...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > >> >> wrote: > > > > > >> >>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> *Dmitriy*, > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> I do believe that you should know why the community > decided > > > to > > > > a > > > > > >> >>>> separate > > > > > >> >>>>>> edition for the Hadoop Accelerator. What was the reason > for > > > > that? > > > > > >> >>>>>> Presently, as I see, it brings more confusion and > > > difficulties > > > > > >> rather > > > > > >> >>>> then > > > > > >> >>>>>> benefit. > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> — > > > > > >> >>>>>> Denis > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 2:14 PM, Konstantin Boudnik < > > > > c...@apache.org> > > > > > >> >> wrote: > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> In fact I am very much agree with you. Right now, running > > the > > > > > >> >>>> "accelerator" > > > > > >> >>>>>> component in Bigtop disto gives one a pretty much > complete > > > > fabric > > > > > >> >>>> anyway. > > > > > >> >>>>>> But > > > > > >> >>>>>> in order to make just an accelerator component we perform > > > > quite a > > > > > >> bit > > > > > >> >> of > > > > > >> >>>>>> woodoo magic during the packaging stage of the Bigtop > > build, > > > > > >> shuffling > > > > > >> >>>> jars > > > > > >> >>>>>> from here and there. And that's quite crazy, honestly ;) > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> Cos > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 03:33PM, Valentin Kulichenko > wrote: > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> I tend to agree with Denis. I see only these differences > > > > between > > > > > >> >> Hadoop > > > > > >> >>>>>> Accelerator and Fabric builds (correct me if I miss > > > something): > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> - Limited set of available modules and no optional > modules > > in > > > > > >> Hadoop > > > > > >> >>>>>> Accelerator. > > > > > >> >>>>>> - No ignite-hadoop module in Fabric. > > > > > >> >>>>>> - Additional scripts, configs and instructions included > in > > > > Hadoop > > > > > >> >>>>>> Accelerator. > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> And the list of included modules frankly looks very > weird. > > > Here > > > > > are > > > > > >> >> only > > > > > >> >>>>>> some of the issues I noticed: > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> - ignite-indexing and ignite-spark are mandatory. Even if > > we > > > > need > > > > > >> them > > > > > >> >>>>>> for Hadoop Acceleration (which I doubt), are they really > > > > required > > > > > >> or > > > > > >> >>>> can > > > > > >> >>>>>> be > > > > > >> >>>>>> optional? > > > > > >> >>>>>> - We force to use ignite-log4j module without providing > > other > > > > > >> logger > > > > > >> >>>>>> options (e.g., SLF). > > > > > >> >>>>>> - We don't include ignite-aws module. How to use Hadoop > > > > > Accelerator > > > > > >> >>>> with > > > > > >> >>>>>> S3 discovery? > > > > > >> >>>>>> - Etc. > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> It seems to me that if we try to fix all this issue, > there > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > >> >>>>>> virtually no difference between Fabric and Hadoop > > Accelerator > > > > > >> builds > > > > > >> >>>> except > > > > > >> >>>>>> couple of scripts and config files. If so, there is no > > reason > > > > to > > > > > >> have > > > > > >> >>>> two > > > > > >> >>>>>> builds. > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> -Val > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Denis Magda < > > > > dma...@apache.org> > > > > > >> >> wrote: > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> On the separate note, in the Bigtop, we start looking > into > > > > > changing > > > > > >> >> the > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> way we > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> deliver Ignite and we'll likely to start offering the > whole > > > > 'data > > > > > >> >>>> fabric' > > > > > >> >>>>>> experience instead of the mere "hadoop-acceleration”. > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> And you still will be using hadoop-accelerator libs of > > > Ignite, > > > > > >> right? > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> I’m thinking of if there is a need to keep releasing > Hadoop > > > > > >> >> Accelerator > > > > > >> >>>> as > > > > > >> >>>>>> a separate delivery. > > > > > >> >>>>>> What if we start releasing the accelerator as a part of > the > > > > > >> standard > > > > > >> >>>>>> fabric binary putting hadoop-accelerator libs under > > > ‘optional’ > > > > > >> folder? > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> — > > > > > >> >>>>>> Denis > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> On Nov 21, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Konstantin Boudnik < > > > > c...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > >> >>>> wrote: > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> What Denis said: spark has been added to the Hadoop > > > accelerator > > > > > as > > > > > >> a > > > > > >> >> way > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> to > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> boost the performance of more than just MR compute of the > > > > Hadoop > > > > > >> >> stack, > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> IIRC. > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> For what it worth, Spark is considered a part of Hadoop > at > > > > large. > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> On the separate note, in the Bigtop, we start looking > into > > > > > changing > > > > > >> >> the > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> way we > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> deliver Ignite and we'll likely to start offering the > whole > > > > 'data > > > > > >> >>>> fabric' > > > > > >> >>>>>> experience instead of the mere "hadoop-acceleration". > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> Cos > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 09:54AM, Denis Magda wrote: > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> Val, > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> Ignite Hadoop module includes not only the map-reduce > > > > accelerator > > > > > >> but > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> Ignite > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> Hadoop File System component as well. The latter can be > > used > > > in > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> deployments > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> like HDFS+IGFS+Ignite Spark + Spark. > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> Considering this I’m for the second solution proposed by > > you: > > > > put > > > > > >> both > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> 2.10 > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> and 2.11 ignite-spark modules under ‘optional’ folder of > > > Ignite > > > > > >> Hadoop > > > > > >> >>>>>> Accelerator distribution. > > > > > >> >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-4254 < > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-4254> > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> BTW, this task may be affected or related to the > following > > > > ones: > > > > > >> >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-3596 < > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-3596> > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-3822 > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> — > > > > > >> >>>>>> Denis > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> On Nov 19, 2016, at 1:26 PM, Valentin Kulichenko < > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> valentin.kuliche...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> Hadoop Accelerator is a plugin to Ignite and this plugin > is > > > > used > > > > > by > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> Hadoop > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> when running its jobs. ignite-spark module only provides > > > > > IgniteRDD > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> which > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> Hadoop obviously will never use. > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> Is there another use case for Hadoop Accelerator which > I'm > > > > > missing? > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> -Val > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 3:12 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan < > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> dsetrak...@apache.org> > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> Why do you think that spark module is not needed in our > > > hadoop > > > > > >> build? > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Valentin Kulichenko < > > > > > >> >>>>>> valentin.kuliche...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> Folks, > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> Is there anyone who understands the purpose of including > > > > > >> ignite-spark > > > > > >> >>>>>> module in the Hadoop Accelerator build? I can't figure > out > > a > > > > use > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> case for > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> which it's needed. > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> In case we actually need it there, there is an issue > then. > > We > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> actually > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> have > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> two ignite-spark modules, for 2.10 and 2.11. In Fabric > > build > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> everything > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> is > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> good, we put both in 'optional' folder and user can > enable > > > > either > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> one. > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> But > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> in Hadoop Accelerator there is only 2.11 which means that > > the > > > > > build > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> doesn't > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> work with 2.10 out of the box. > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> We should either remove the module from the build, or fix > > the > > > > > >> issue. > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> -Val > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >>>> > > > > > >> >>>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> -- > > > > > >> >>> Sergey Kozlov > > > > > >> >>> GridGain Systems > > > > > >> >>> www.gridgain.com > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Vladimir Ozerov > > > > > Senior Software Architect > > > > > GridGain Systems > > > > > www.gridgain.com > > > > > *+7 (960) 283 98 40* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Sergey Kozlov > > > > GridGain Systems > > > > www.gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Vladimir Ozerov > > Senior Software Architect > > GridGain Systems > > www.gridgain.com > > *+7 (960) 283 98 40* > > > > > > -- > Sergey Kozlov > GridGain Systems > www.gridgain.com >