Other than the logistics reasons Tim mentioned, my thinking is that thirdparty 
and toolchain overlap a lot so it would be easier to have just one location for 
everything.

Thanks,
Michael

> On May 25, 2016, at 16:46, Henry Robinson <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> On 25 May 2016 at 16:33, Michael Ho <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Yes. The biggest dependency in thirdparty now is the reliance of the CDH 
>> components, namely
>> hadoop, hbase, hive, sentry and some llama stuff. The short term goal as 
>> discussed in another email
>> thread is to initially put a publicly available released version of those 
>> CDH components in S3 so a user
>> can get all the components they need to build and run tests by just running 
>> the script to bootstrap the
>> toolchain. Internally, we can replace those CDH components with our own 
>> builds of those components
>> by somehow instructing the toolchain boostrapping script to pull from our 
>> internal repo if needed. The
>> users can in theory specify their own repo for those components too. Whether 
>> we will converge to 
>> the Apache version of things in the long run is not the goal of this bug.
>> 
>> The majority of the stuff left in thirdparty are mostly duplicates of what 
>> exist already in
>> the toolchain directory: avro-c, sasl, gflags, glog, gperftools, gtest, lz4, 
>> openldap, rapidjson, re2, snappy,
>> thrift so we may as well remove them.
>> 
>> After all the changes above, thirdparty will be pretty much empty except for 
>> mustache and squeasel.
>> If I recalled correctly from the meeting we had a month ago before you went 
>> on leave, you pointed out
>> that they can reside in util directory as they are actually compiled 
>> together with the webserver.cc. I am
>> also open to keeping them in thirdparty directory as this means we can now 
>> have a thirdparty directory
>> in the ASF repo upstream after all the trimming above.
> 
> Thanks for the explanation. I still don't see from your response why you 
> think Squeasel and Mustache should move to util/, even if, as we discussed, 
> they can (there are good reasons to consider moving them - maybe we don't 
> want thirdparty/ any more, maybe we don't want to treat external compile 
> dependencies any differently). 
> 
> The argument I can see in favour of not moving them is that any external 
> compile-time dependencies are in an easy-to-find place, which probably makes 
> getting an Apache release together just a little easier since we can split 
> the code into "developed as part of Impala" and "developed externally".
> 
> I'm not going to stand in the way of a small change like this, so feel free 
> to GVM if you think best.
>  
>> 
>> Michael
>> 
>>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Henry Robinson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I thought the long-term goal was to remove any heavyweight dependencies 
>>> that are checked into the repository. It's not the existence of thirdparty/ 
>>> that's the problem there, it's what we were keeping in it. 
>>> 
>>> Mustache and Squeasel change very infrequently, and are only a few K in 
>>> total. Do you think we should remove thirdparty/ for other reasons? 
>>> 
>>>> On 25 May 2016 at 14:20, Michael Ho <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> The long term goal is to remove thirdparty. I thought we discussed about 
>>>> it.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Henry Robinson <[email protected]> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> (Sorry, not near Gerrit) why not keep them in thirdparty/? That makes 
>>>>> their provenance clear.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> > On May 25, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Dan Hecht (Code Review) 
>>>>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Dan Hecht has posted comments on this change.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Change subject: IMPALA-3223: Move squeasel and mustache to the util 
>>>>> > directory
>>>>> > ......................................................................
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Patch Set 1: Code-Review+2
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Okay.
>>>>> >
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>>>> Michael
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