Hi Dom,

> Are you suggesting, that cluster sync will be provided purely by the 
> underlying NoSQL database?

Yes, that's what I meant.

Michael 


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On Mar 1, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Dominique Pfister wrote:

> Hi Michael,
> 
> Are you suggesting, that cluster sync will be provided purely by the 
> underlying NoSQL database? Until now, I always assumed that all cluster nodes 
> expose an MK interface, and that changes are transmitted to other nodes via 
> calls on this MK interface. So in your example, cluster node 2 would see a 
> "delete /a/b" and the question of a broken tree never arises.
> 
> Regards
> Dominique
> 
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 1:53 PM, Michael Marth wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have thought a bit about how one could go about implementing a micro 
>> kernel based on a NoSQL database (think Cassandra or Mongo) where a JCR node 
>> would probably be stored as an individual document and the MK implementation 
>> would provide the tree on top of that. Consider that you have two or more 
>> cluster nodes of such an NoSQL db (each receiving writes from a different 
>> SPI) and that these two cluster nodes would be eventually consistent.
>> 
>> It is easy to imagine cases where the tree structure of one node will be 
>> temporarily broken (at least for specific implementations, see example 
>> below). I am not particularly worried about that, but I wonder if the MK 
>> interface design implicitly assumes that the MK always exposes a non-broken 
>> tree to the SPI. The second question I have if we assume that a particular 
>> version of the tree the MK exposes to the SPI is stable over time (or: can 
>> it be the case that the SPI refreshes the current version it might see a 
>> different tree. Again, example below)?
>> 
>> I think we should be explicit about these assumptions or non-assumtptions 
>> because either the MK implementer has to take care of them or the higher 
>> levels (SPI, client) have to deal with them.
>> 
>> Michael
>> 
>> (*) example from above: consider node structure /a/b/c. On on cluster node 1 
>> JCR node b is deleted. In order to implement that in a document db the MK on 
>> cluster node 1 would need to separately delete b and c. The second cluster 
>> node could receive the deletion of b first. So for some time there would be 
>> a JCR node c on cluster node 2 that has no parent.
> 
>> 
>> example regarding tree version stability: suppose in the example above that 
>> tree version 1 is /a/b/c and tree version 2 is /a. Because deleting b and c 
>> will arrive on cluster node 2 as separate events there must either be some 
>> additional communication between the cluster nodes so that cluster node 2 
>> knows when tree version 2 is fully replicated. Or cluster node 2 will expose 
>> a tree version 2 that first looks like /a/b and later as /a (i.e. the same 
>> version number's tree will change over time)
> 

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