What are some thoughts or questions on all of the above?

* deprecation policy

Requiring an @deprecated on a minor with removal on (at the earliest) the subsequent major sounds good to me. I think that's what we've been largely trying to do, but stating and communicating this clearly would certainly help. As for many other things ;-)

@Beta methods or classes would be excluded from this, I assume.

* beta policy

Would it make sense to consider this not just for entire APIs, but for individual calls, too? It would mean something like "may change in a backwards-incompatible way even in minor releases", i.e. not subject to the deprecation policy.

I can also imagine that we'd want something like @Beta(since = "version"), and some kind of (informal?) policy that methods/APIs shouldn't stay in beta forever.

* roadmap

Hard to argue against this one ;-) We've made a couple of attempts to start this, without getting very far, unfortunately. I think we could put together a straw man to have something to build on, and try to identify some kind of "theme(s)" for major releases, to help with focus.

How many theme(s) we can handle will be something we'll hopefully figure out as we gain some exprience.

* release notes

Again, hard to argue against ;-) Could you give some examples of concrete things you think we can improve here, Everett? Perhaps we could have a "release notes checklist" and include that in the release guide, too?

* patch releases

Agree that we need a more automated release process for this. I don't recall seeing anything in the ASF docs that allows for "accelerated releases", but would be interested to hear what people with more experience have to say.

Curious to know how big we feel this problem is, by the way, relative to the other issues discussed here?

* release cadence

Looking at the past major releases, 3-4 minors per major seems to be the average, so either 6 or 9 months should work. Do we want to try to be "firm" about this, especially if we think the amount of work/number of themes in a major release may vary?

I would say the predictability here might be more important than being strictly regular: users should have a good early indication of roughly when the next major can be expected.

Perhaps we could agree to make this the first "agenda item" for the community after a major: decide on the expected release date for the next one?

Regards

ap

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