On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 03:06:40AM +0000, Everett Toews wrote:
> On Jul 28, 2014, at 9:16 PM, Andrew Phillips <aphill...@qrmedia.com> wrote:
> 
> > As regards karaf and cli: would they belong in core, or in tools or 
> > elsewhere? They're really more downstream consumers of jclouds than *parts* 
> > of jclouds themselves.
> 
> Originally I thought of the tools dir as just being a collection of scripts 
> but it could be more than that. If we did put karaf and cli and the BlobStore 
> stuff in there it’s clear that it would become something of a catch-all for 
> jclouds related stuff that we want to keep close. I’m not necessarily against 
> that but we need to be clear about the intention of the tools dir.
> 
> Personally, I’ve never used karaf or the cli so I don’t feel strongly about 
> where they go or even if they stay within our repo. I hope the maintainers of 
> these things speak up here.

The frequently-suggested blobstore tools are much smaller than karaf and
potentially a much larger user base; these could help users diagnose
connectivity, authentication, proxy, and other configuration issues in a
dependable way instead of the zoo of user application problems,
including logging.  Further there is a legitimate administrative use and
potentially a way to reach new users.  Check out how clean BlobStoreCli
is compared to anything in karaf/cli:

https://github.com/andrewgaul/jclouds/blob/blobstore-cli/blobstore-cli/src/main/java/org/jclouds/blobstore/cli/BlobStoreCli.java

I would really like to find a way forward on these tools.

-- 
Andrew Gaul
http://gaul.org/

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