My MoinMoin account was disabled because I hadn’t made any recent changes. 
Apparently 2014-11-13 isn’t recent enough. I expect some of your accounts have 
been disabled too. Yet another barrier to working with MoinMoin.

More timings:

33.3s for MoinMoin to save an edit
32.5s for MoinMoin to save an edit
31.0s for MoinMoin to save an edit

3.23 for Confluence to save an edit
2.17 for Confluence to save an edit
2.33 for Confluence to save an edit

31.4s for MoinMoin to create a page
29.2s for MoinMoin to create a page
29.4s for MoinMoin to create a page

3.47s for Confluence to create a page
2.92s for Confluence to create a page
3.43s for Confluence to create a page

Confluence is roughly 10x faster than MoinMoin
It’s easier to use with many features for editing pages
Has broader adoption (220 ASF projects in Confluence vs 77 in MoinMoin)
Seems to be much more actively developed

I see no reason to stay with MoinMoin. Let’s get back to a place where 
contributors are actually willing and able to easily write contributor docs.

I’m going to reopen the vote.

Regards,
Everett


On Nov 24, 2014, at 9:16 PM, Everett Toews <everett.to...@rackspace.com> wrote:

> The new space in Confluence has been created [1] and has the current users 
> set to
> 
> Andrew Bayer
> Adrian Cole
> Andrew Phillips
> Chris Custine
> Everett Toews
> 
> I tried to do some basic timing tests with MoinMoin but apparently I need to 
> reset my password. And that’s not working right now (I’ve opened an INFRA 
> ticket).
> 
> At this point, here’s what I know:
> 
> 30.9s for MoinMoin to attempt a login
> 30.1s for MoinMoin to return from its password reset page
> 
> 2.94s for Confluence to login
> 3.56s for Confluence to save a page
> 1.99s for Confluence to go into edit mode
> 
> If anyone else is able to try it, please do. MoinMoin is so slow it’s 
> unusable. Adrian is sharing info in gists because it’s so slow. I’m not sure 
> why we’re suffering through this when we have a perfectly good alternative 
> with Confluence. It’s quick and usable. Most other ASF projects (220) use it 
> and it’s in use at a multitude of orgs around the world.
> 
> Everett
> 
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/JCLOUDS
> 
> 
> On Nov 13, 2014, at 10:54 PM, Andrew Phillips <aphill...@qrmedia.com> wrote:
> 
>>> I created https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-8622 to get a  space 
>>> added for us.  I tried adding Andrew Phillips as another space  admin (as 
>>> PMC Chair) but I couldn’t find his confluence ID.
>> 
>> Just created user "andrewp". Thanks, Chris!
>> 
>> ap
> 

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