Comments inline:

On 08/04/2014 08:10, "Andy Seaborne" <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 08/04/14 14:25, Rob Vesse wrote:
>>
>> In terms of specific collaboration opportunities I¹ve heard a few
>>different
>> ideas.  I spent a bunch of time talking with Lewis McGibbney who¹s
>>involved
>> in Any23 about how Jena might make it easier for projects to share
>>common
>> functionality like RDF parsers.  The current module structures are
>>something
>> of a barrier in this regard since we have multiple versions of some
>>readers
>> and they are quite closely coupled into some aspects of our APIs.
>>Improving
>> modularisation in the future (as I think we hope to do in Jena 3x
>> eventually) would make things like this easier for people.
>
>Agreed : we need something like
>
>IRI
>Non-RDF related common library (Atlas in ARQ currently)
>new core (graph API, datasetgraph)
>RIOT
>API
>SPARQL
>TDB (split into base, file, b+tree, main)

This looks like the most sensible and concrete modularisation we’ve yet
come up with.  To clarify are you thinking that the new core would be the
Node, Triple, Quad, Graph, Dataset APIs etc and then API would be the
Model and Ontology APIs.

In which case +1000, that makes much more sense.

Particularly then putting RIOT between the new core and the API so that we
don’t have two sets of readers and writers!

I’d be interested to hear from Claude as to how the jena-security module
would fit in this, I guess it may need to be split into multiple modules
that build on each other and the other modules as appropriate.

>...
>
>A "maybe" is a module that is just the interfaces for graph, dataset etc
>etc. and have modules build from that but it looks to me like the
>difference between new-core and interface+core+mem is quite small.
>Having the in-memory implmentations around is necessary for internal
>working.

I’m -0 on this

While it’s easy to do and relatively cheap in Java (as compared to .Net
where it is a PITA) and certainly the Sesame folks already take this
approach but I don’t see that there is much value provided.  How many
people actually run completely custom Node/Triple/Graph/etc stacks?

>
>And? Java8 so we can sort out iterators.
>
>Let's more actively discuss this.

Sure though I think Java8 is maybe a whole other discussion.

Another related discussion is moving to Git before we get started down
this route because doing this scale of refactoring would be horrible
within SVN.

Rob





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