Hi, Been watching Joshua since it was incubating. Finally may have some free time and am would like to get involved.
The NMT stuff looks interesting. I don't have an overleaf account, so maybe my next question is answered there. What is the end result of the paper? Will you be choosing a framework to add to Joshua. And if so, what will make it different than just using said framework on it's own? Thanks Mike On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 5:34 AM Tommaso Teofili <tommaso.teof...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I've also added M2M-100 from FB-AI [1]. > > Regarding desiderata, here's an unsorted list of first things that come to > my mind: > - runs also on jvm > - low resource requirements (e.g. for training) > - can leverage existing / pretrained models > - word and phrase translation capabilities > - good effectiveness :) > > Regards, > Tommaso > > [1] : > https://about.fb.com/news/2020/10/first-multilingual-machine-translation-model/ > > On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 at 14:09, Tommaso Teofili <tommaso.teof...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Thanks a lot Thamme, I sticked to AL-2 compatible ones, but I agree we can > > surely have a look at others having different licensing too. > > In the meantime I've added all of your suggestions to the paper (with > > related reference when available). > > We should decide what our desiderata are and establish a first set of eval > > benchmark just to understand what can work for us, at least initially, then > > we can have a more thorough evaluation with a small number of "candidates". > > > > Regards, > > Tommaso > > > > On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 at 09:05, Thamme Gowda <tgow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Tomaso, > >> > >> Awesome! Thanks for the links. > >> I will be happy to join, (But I wont be able to contribute to the actual > >> paper untill Oct 24). > >> > >> I suggest we should consider popular NMT toolkits for the survey > >> regardless > >> of their compatibility with AL-2. > >> We should see all the tricks and features, and know if we are missing out > >> on any useful features after enforcing the AL-2 filter (and create issues > >> for adding those features). > >> > >> here are some more NMT toolkits to be included in the survey. > >> - Fairseq https://github.com/pytorch/fairseq > >> - Tensor2tensor https://github.com/tensorflow/tensor2tensor/ > >> - Nematus https://github.com/EdinburghNLP/nematus > >> - xNMT https://github.com/neulab/xnmt > >> - XLM https://github.com/facebookresearch/XLM/ > >> |-> MASS https://github.com/microsoft/MASS/ --> > >> https://github.com/thammegowda/unmass (took that and made it easier to > >> install and use) > >> > >> Some old stuff which we are defnitely not going to use but worth > >> mentioning > >> in the survey (for the sake of completion) > >> - https://github.com/google/seq2seq > >> - https://github.com/tensorflow/nmt > >> - https://github.com/isi-nlp/Zoph_RNN > >> > >> > >> > >> Cheers, > >> TG > >> > >> > >> ಭಾನು, ಅಕ್ಟೋ 18, 2020 ರಂದು 11:17 ಅಪರಾಹ್ನ ಸಮಯಕ್ಕೆ ರಂದು Tommaso Teofili < > >> tommaso.teof...@gmail.com> ಅವರು ಬರೆದಿದ್ದಾರೆ: > >> > >> > Following up on the report topic, I've created an overleaf doc for > >> everyone > >> > who's interested in working on this [1]. > >> > > >> > First set of (AL-2 compatible) NMT toolkits I've found: > >> > - Joey NMT [2] > >> > - OpenNMT [3] > >> > - MarianNMT [4] > >> > - Sockeye [5] > >> > - and of course RTG already shared by Thamme [6] > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > Tommaso > >> > > >> > [1] : https://www.overleaf.com/8617554857qkvtqtpcxxmw > >> > [2] : https://github.com/joeynmt/joeynmt > >> > [3] : https://github.com/OpenNMT > >> > [4] : https://github.com/marian-nmt/marian > >> > [5] : https://github.com/awslabs/sockeye > >> > [6] : https://github.com/isi-nlp/rtg-xt > >> > > >> > On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 at 11:06, Tommaso Teofili < > >> tommaso.teof...@gmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > very good idea Thamme! > >> > > I'd be up for writing such a short survey paper as a result of our > >> > > analysis. > >> > > > >> > > Regards, > >> > > Tommaso > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 at 05:23, Thamme Gowda <tgow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> Tomasso and others, > >> > >> > >> > >> > I think we may now go into a research phase to understand what > >> > existing > >> > >> toolkit we can more easily integrate with. > >> > >> Agreed. > >> > >> if we can write a (short) report that compares various NMT toolkits > >> of > >> > >> 2020, it would be useful for us to make this decision as well as to > >> the > >> > >> NMT > >> > >> community. > >> > >> Something like a survey paper on NMT research but focus on toolkits > >> and > >> > >> software engineering part. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ಶುಕ್ರ, ಅಕ್ಟೋ 9, 2020 ರಂದು 11:39 ಅಪರಾಹ್ನ ಸಮಯಕ್ಕೆ ರಂದು Tommaso Teofili > >> < > >> > >> tommaso.teof...@gmail.com> ಅವರು ಬರೆದಿದ್ದಾರೆ: > >> > >> > >> > >> > Thamme, Jeff, > >> > >> > > >> > >> > your contributions will be very important for the project and the > >> > >> > community, especially given your NLP background, thanks for your > >> > >> support! > >> > >> > > >> > >> > I agree moving towards NMT is the best thing to do at this point > >> for > >> > >> > Joshua. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Thamme, thanks for your suggestions! > >> > >> > I think we may now go into a research phase to understand what > >> > existing > >> > >> > toolkit we can more easily integrate with. > >> > >> > Of course if you like to integrate your own toolkit then that'd be > >> > even > >> > >> > more interesting to see how it compares to others. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > If that means moving to Python I think it's not a problem; we can > >> > still > >> > >> > work on Java bindings to ship a new Joshua Decoder implementation. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > The pretrained models topic is imho something we will have to > >> embrace > >> > at > >> > >> > some point, so that others can: > >> > >> > a) just download new LPs > >> > >> > b) eventually fine tune with their own data > >> > >> > > >> > >> > I am looking forward to start this new phase of research on Joshua. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Regards, > >> > >> > Tommaso > >> > >> > > >> > >> > On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 at 18:30, Jeff Zemerick <jzemer...@apache.org> > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > I haven't contributed to this point but I would like to see > >> Apache > >> > >> Joshua > >> > >> > > remain an active project so I am volunteering to help. I may not > >> be > >> > a > >> > >> lot > >> > >> > > of help with code for a bit but I will help out with > >> documentation, > >> > >> > > releases, etc. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > I do agree that NMT is the best path forward but I will leave the > >> > >> choice > >> > >> > of > >> > >> > > integrating an existing library into Joshua versus a new NMT > >> > >> > implementation > >> > >> > > in Joshua to those more familiar with the code and what they > >> think > >> > is > >> > >> > best > >> > >> > > for the project. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Jeff > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 2:28 AM Thamme Gowda <tgow...@gmail.com> > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > Hi Tomasso, and others > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > *1. I support the addition of neural MT decoder. * > >> > >> > > > The world has moved on, and NMT is clearly the way to go > >> forward. > >> > >> > > > If you dont believe my words, read what Matt Post himself said > >> [1] > >> > >> > three > >> > >> > > > years ago! > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > I have spent the past three years focusing on NMT as part of > >> my > >> > job > >> > >> > and > >> > >> > > > Ph.D -- I'd be glad to contribute in that direction. > >> > >> > > > There are many NMT toolkits out there today. (Fairseq, sockeye, > >> > >> > > > tensor2tensor, ....) > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > The right thing to do, IMHO, is simply merge one of the NMT > >> > toolkits > >> > >> > with > >> > >> > > > Joshua project. We can do that as long as it's Apache License > >> > >> right? > >> > >> > > > We will now have to move towards python land as most toolkits > >> are > >> > in > >> > >> > > > python. On the positive side, we will be losing the ancient > >> perl > >> > >> > scripts > >> > >> > > > that many are not fan of. > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > I have been working on my own NMT toolkit for my work and > >> research > >> > >> -- > >> > >> > > RTG > >> > >> > > > https://isi-nlp.github.io/rtg/#conf > >> > >> > > > I had worked on Joshua in the past, mainly, I improved the code > >> > >> quality > >> > >> > > > [2]. So you can tell my new code'd be upto Apache's standards > >> ;) > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > *2. Pretrained MT models for lots of languages* > >> > >> > > > I have been working on a lib to retrieve parallel data from > >> many > >> > >> > sources > >> > >> > > -- > >> > >> > > > MTData [3] > >> > >> > > > There is so much parallel data out their for hundreds of > >> > languages. > >> > >> > > > My recent estimate is over a billion lines of parallel > >> sentences > >> > for > >> > >> > over > >> > >> > > > 500 languages is freely and publicly available for download > >> using > >> > >> > MTData > >> > >> > > > tool. > >> > >> > > > If we find some sponsors to lend us some resources, we could > >> train > >> > >> > better > >> > >> > > > MT models and update the Language Packs section [4]. > >> > >> > > > Perhaps, one massively multilingual NMT model that supports > >> many > >> > >> > > > translation directions (I know its possible with NMT; I tested > >> it > >> > >> > > recently > >> > >> > > > with RTG) > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > I am interested in hearing what others are thinking. > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > [1] > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/joshua-dev/201709.mbox/%3CA481E867-A845-4BC0-B5AF-5CEAAB3D0B7D%40cs.jhu.edu%3E > >> > >> > > > [2] - > >> > >> https://github.com/apache/joshua/pulls?q=author%3Athammegowda+ > >> > >> > > > [3] - https://github.com/thammegowda/mtdata > >> > >> > > > [4] - > >> > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/JOSHUA/Language+Packs > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > Cheers, > >> > >> > > > TG > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > -- > >> > >> > > > *Thamme Gowda * > >> > >> > > > @thammegowda <https://twitter.com/thammegowda> | > >> > >> https://isi.edu/~tg > >> > >> > > > ~Sent via somebody's Webmail server > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > ಸೋಮ, ಅಕ್ಟೋ 5, 2020 ರಂದು 12:16 ಪೂರ್ವಾಹ್ನ ಸಮಯಕ್ಕೆ ರಂದು Tommaso > >> > >> Teofili < > >> > >> > > > tommaso.teof...@gmail.com> ಅವರು ಬರೆದಿದ್ದಾರೆ: > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > Hi all, > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > This is a roll call for people interested in contributing to > >> > >> Apache > >> > >> > > > Joshua > >> > >> > > > > going forward. > >> > >> > > > > Contributing could be not just code, but anything that may > >> help > >> > >> the > >> > >> > > > project > >> > >> > > > > or serve the community. > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > In case you're interested in helping out please speak up :-) > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Code-wise Joshua has not evolved much in the latest months, > >> > >> there's > >> > >> > > room > >> > >> > > > > for both improvements to the current code (make a new minor > >> > >> release) > >> > >> > > and > >> > >> > > > > new ideas / code branches (e.g. neural MT based Joshua > >> Decoder). > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Regards, > >> > >> > > > > Tommaso > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >
