Hi,

one quick note, if I recall correctly, "-Djspwiki.propertyfile" is used to
load the main jspwiki.properties from outside the war, so it should be able
to coexist with "-Djspwiki.custom.config", something like:

- jspwiki.properties, loaded first, from war (unless -Djspwiki.propertyfile
is given)
- jspwiki-custom.properties, loaded afterwards, from classpath (unless
-Djspwiki.custom.config is given)


br,
juan pablo

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Glen Mazza <[email protected]> wrote:

> Yes, I like -Djspwiki.custom.config too.  I'll see what I can do for
> logging.
>
> Glen
>
>
> On 08/08/2013 08:01 AM, Harry Metske wrote:
>
>> Changing the propname to something else would not be a problem,
>>   "-Djspwiki.custom.config" is fine.
>> What I meant is that it should be very clear _how_ these things play
>> together, both in documentation and logging.
>>
>> kind regards,
>> Harry
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8 August 2013 13:56, Glen Mazza <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>  Yes, [#1] would be the [3] I mentioned below.  But would it be a problem
>>> if I renamed our "-Djspwiki.propertyfile" setting to "-Djspwiki.custom.**
>>> **propertyfile"
>>> (or "-Djspwiki.custom.config" similar to Roller) as it's technically no
>>> longer a replacement of the jspwiki.properties file (which will always be
>>> in the WAR) but an overlay of it (same thing, so long as your overlay
>>> has a
>>> value for every property in the jspwiki.properties file, which current
>>> -Djspwiki.propertyfiles have to do anyway as they fully replace that
>>> file.)
>>>   I don't see this as a backwards compatibility issue as it's just a
>>> command-line setting.
>>>
>>> Glen
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08/07/2013 08:10 AM, Harry Metske wrote:
>>>
>>>  from an administration perspective (part of my daily live) I consider
>>>> having configuration separate from binaries a must-have.
>>>> So +1 on this, it should get easier to deploy (the 100% same)
>>>> JSPWiki.war
>>>> everywhere and having a per-environment small "override" property file
>>>> that
>>>> adapts the JSPWiki instance to the environment.
>>>> I would like to see proper logging on property handling so we can see
>>>> which
>>>> property gets loaded from where, and what the final property values are
>>>> going to be active.
>>>> (and, similar to what Ichiro already mentioned, it should play nice with
>>>> JSPWiki System property mechanism, see [#1].
>>>>
>>>> [#1] 
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/****jira/browse/JSPWIKI-568<https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/JSPWIKI-568>
>>>> <https:**//issues.apache.org/jira/**browse/JSPWIKI-568<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-568>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> kind regards,
>>>> Harry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7 August 2013 05:43, Glen Mazza <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Hi Team,
>>>>
>>>>> Apache Roller maintains two configuration files, a roller.properties[1]
>>>>> which sits within the war, filled with defaults and never needs
>>>>> modification (although a user can alter it if he wishes, it will work),
>>>>> and
>>>>> a roller-custom.properties file[2] which is placed in the classpath
>>>>> ($CATALINA_HOME/lib for Tomcat, corresponding folders for JBoss or
>>>>> GlassFish.)  For any value you put in roller-custom.properties, it will
>>>>> overwrite what is in roller.properties in the WAR.  So you only need
>>>>> the
>>>>> values in the custom file that you're actually overriding, making it
>>>>> very
>>>>> short and simple.  And if you don't use a roller-custom.properties, all
>>>>> of
>>>>> the defaults in the WAR will prevail.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can keep deploying new versions of Roller.war to your servlet
>>>>> container while never needing to re-configure either roller.properties
>>>>> or
>>>>> roller-custom.properties, re-opening WARs, etc. as the
>>>>> roller-custom.properties still sitting in $CATALINA_HOME/lib
>>>>> automatically
>>>>> is used--this is very convenient during development when the WARs
>>>>> frequently get updated.  Same with JUnit and Selenium testing, we don't
>>>>> alter the roller.properties but just place the
>>>>> roller-custom.properties[2]
>>>>> in the test classpath under src/test/resources (if you have multiple
>>>>> config
>>>>> files, you can change the custom file name via setting a system
>>>>> property[3]).  All this is handled by the WebloggerConfig[4] class,
>>>>> which
>>>>> first reads in roller.properties and the overwrites any values from
>>>>> roller-custom.properties.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] 
>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/******roller/trunk/app/src/main/****<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/****roller/trunk/app/src/main/**>
>>>>> <http://svn.apache.org/**viewvc/**roller/trunk/app/src/**main/**<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/**roller/trunk/app/src/main/**>
>>>>> >
>>>>> resources/org/apache/roller/******weblogger/config/roller.**
>>>>> properties?view=markup<http://****svn.apache.org/viewvc/**roller/**<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/roller/**>
>>>>> trunk/app/src/main/resources/****org/apache/roller/weblogger/****
>>>>> config/roller.properties?view=****markup<http://svn.apache.**
>>>>> org/viewvc/roller/trunk/app/**src/main/resources/org/apache/**
>>>>> roller/weblogger/config/**roller.properties?view=markup<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/roller/trunk/app/src/main/resources/org/apache/roller/weblogger/config/roller.properties?view=markup>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>> <
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/******roller/trunk/app/src/main/****<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/****roller/trunk/app/src/main/**>
>>>>> <http://svn.apache.org/**viewvc/**roller/trunk/app/src/**main/**<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/**roller/trunk/app/src/main/**>
>>>>> >
>>>>> resources/org/apache/roller/******weblogger/config/roller.**
>>>>> properties?revision=1511052&******view=markup<http://svn.**apache.<http://svn.apache.>
>>>>> **
>>>>> org/viewvc/roller/trunk/app/****src/main/resources/org/apache/****
>>>>> roller/weblogger/config/****roller.properties?revision=**
>>>>> 1511052&view=markup<http://**svn.apache.org/viewvc/roller/**
>>>>> trunk/app/src/main/resources/**org/apache/roller/weblogger/**
>>>>> config/roller.properties?**revision=1511052&view=markup<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/roller/trunk/app/src/main/resources/org/apache/roller/weblogger/config/roller.properties?revision=1511052&view=markup>
>>>>> >
>>>>> [2] 
>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/******roller/trunk/app/src/test/****<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/****roller/trunk/app/src/test/**>
>>>>> <http://svn.apache.org/**viewvc/**roller/trunk/app/src/**test/**<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/**roller/trunk/app/src/test/**>
>>>>> >
>>>>> resources/roller-custom.******properties?view=log<http://**
>>>>> svn.apache.org/viewvc/roller/****trunk/app/src/test/resources/****<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/roller/**trunk/app/src/test/resources/**>
>>>>> roller-custom.properties?view=****log<http://svn.apache.org/**
>>>>> viewvc/roller/trunk/app/src/**test/resources/roller-custom.**
>>>>> properties?view=log<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/roller/trunk/app/src/test/resources/roller-custom.properties?view=log>
>>>>> >
>>>>> [3] 
>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/******roller/trunk/app/pom.xml?**<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/****roller/trunk/app/pom.xml?**>
>>>>> **<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/****roller/trunk/app/pom.xml?**<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/**roller/trunk/app/pom.xml?**>
>>>>> >
>>>>> revision=1511052&view=markup#******l460<http://svn.apache.org/****<http://svn.apache.org/**>
>>>>> viewvc/roller/trunk/app/pom.****xml?revision=1511052&view=****
>>>>> markup#l460<http://svn.apache.**org/viewvc/roller/trunk/app/**
>>>>> pom.xml?revision=1511052&view=**markup#l460<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/roller/trunk/app/pom.xml?revision=1511052&view=markup#l460>
>>>>> >
>>>>> [4] 
>>>>> <http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/******roller/trunk/app/src/main/****<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/****roller/trunk/app/src/main/**>
>>>>> <http://svn.apache.org/**viewvc/**roller/trunk/app/src/**main/**<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/**roller/trunk/app/src/main/**>
>>>>> >
>>>>> java/org/apache/roller/******weblogger/config/****
>>>>> WebloggerConfig.java?revision=
>>>>> **1491090&view=markup<http://****svn.apache.org/viewvc/roller/****<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/roller/**>
>>>>> trunk/app/src/main/java/org/****apache/roller/weblogger/**
>>>>> config/WebloggerConfig.java?****revision=1491090&view=markup<h**
>>>>> ttp://svn.apache.org/viewvc/**roller/trunk/app/src/main/**
>>>>> java/org/apache/roller/**weblogger/config/**
>>>>> WebloggerConfig.java?revision=**1491090&view=markup<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/roller/trunk/app/src/main/java/org/apache/roller/weblogger/config/WebloggerConfig.java?revision=1491090&view=markup>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://**svn.apache.org/****viewvc/roller/**trunk/app/src/****<http://svn.apache.org/**viewvc/roller/**trunk/app/src/**>
>>>>>> main/java/org/**<http://svn.**apache.org/viewvc/roller/****
>>>>>> trunk/app/src/main/java/org/**<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/roller/**trunk/app/src/main/java/org/**>
>>>>>> **>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  apache/roller/weblogger/******config/WebloggerConfig.java?****
>>>>> **view=markup<
>>>>> http://svn.apache.**org/**viewvc/roller/trunk/app/**
>>>>> src/main/java/org/apache/****roller/weblogger/config/**
>>>>> WebloggerConfig.java?view=****markup<http://svn.apache.org/**
>>>>> viewvc/roller/trunk/app/src/**main/java/org/apache/roller/**
>>>>> weblogger/config/**WebloggerConfig.java?view=**markup<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/roller/trunk/app/src/main/java/org/apache/roller/weblogger/config/WebloggerConfig.java?view=markup>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to do the same thing with Apache JSPWiki, modify our own
>>>>> PropertyReader.java to accept a new jspwiki-custom.properties file.
>>>>> Also,
>>>>> to get rid of the mostly forgotten and empty /ini/default_jspwiki.****
>>>>> properties
>>>>>
>>>>> and put whatever default values there into jspwiki.properties (unless
>>>>> where
>>>>> the latter has already overridden those properties.)  Basically,
>>>>> jspwiki.properties will assume the role of default_jspwiki.properties
>>>>> and
>>>>> we'll have a new optional jspwiki-custom.properties that will not be in
>>>>> the
>>>>> WAR at all (you don't want to have it in the WAR as it would get read
>>>>> over
>>>>> what's in $CATALINA_HOME/lib, and if you had something to put in
>>>>> jspwiki-custom.properties in the WAR you'd just use jspwiki.properties
>>>>> anyway.)  Backwards compatibility would not be an issue, as you'd just
>>>>> take
>>>>> your jspwiki.properties file from the old WAR and can still insert it
>>>>> into
>>>>> the new WAR or just rename it jspwiki-custom.properties and put it on
>>>>> the
>>>>> external classpath. WDYT?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Glen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>

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