Hi Colin,

Let's discuss this issue in KAFKA-13612
<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-13612> with Jason and Dom.
(and anyone who is interested)

Thank you.
Luke

On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 2:43 AM Colin McCabe <cmcc...@apache.org> wrote:

> Kafka internal topics are… well… internal, and we don’t guarantee anything
> about their format or whether or not they are present, etc. There is no
> guarantee that Kafka will always use __consumer-offsets to manage offsets —
> it could change in the future. I think the big mistake we made is making
> them visible to ordinary clients at all.
>
> So I would argue that this is not a regression since clients should not be
> accessing internal topics.
>
> best,
> Colin
>
> On Sun, Jan 23, 2022, at 13:50, Dominic Evans wrote:
> > Luke Chen wrote:
> >> Dominic Evans wrote:
> >>> However, historically the __consumer_offsets topic was special cased
> such
> >>> that it would get auto-created on a Metadata request even if normal
> topic
> >>> auto-creation (`auto.create.topics.enable`) was disabled in the broker.
> >>> Does anyone know if something has changed there?
> >>>
> >>> If I startup a brand new empty 2.8.x cluster and just send
> >>> MetadataRequests for the __consumer_offsets topic  I always get
> >>> UNKNOWN_TOPIC_OR_PARTITION  responses and the auto-creation doesn't
> seem to
> >>> ever get actioned for that alone.
> >
> >> Thanks for reporting the issue. Yes, I think this is a regression issue.
> >> I've created a bug in JIRA: KAFKA-13612
> >> I'll work on a fix for it.
> >
> > Ah great, thanks Luke for confirming and also many thanks for raising
> > the JIRA too.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Dom
> > --
> > Dominic Evans
> > IBM Software Group, Hursley Park, UK
>

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