I did miss updating the KIP on Jose's comment. Have done that now, thanks
for the reminder.

For the `kafka-metadata-quorum.sh` tool, it seems that the tool's
dependence on the DescribeQuorum API is implicit given the original KIP
[1]. I will add a section in this KIP demonstrating that the tool's output
should contain the newly added fields as well.
The tool itself is tracked under this JIRA [2]

Thanks
Niket

[1]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-595%3A+A+Raft+Protocol+for+the+Metadata+Quorum#KIP595%3AARaftProtocolfortheMetadataQuorum-ToolingSupport=
[2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-13914

On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:31 PM deng ziming <dengziming1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello Niket,
>
>
> 1. I find the DescribeQuorumResult still contains an
> DescribeQuorumResponseData, which is not allowed as Jose commented, have
> you forgot to change it?
>
> 2. You only add an Handle in AdminClient, can you also add an
> `kafka-metadata-quorum.sh` tool to help this?
>
>
> > On May 17, 2022, at 9:50 AM, Niket Goel <ng...@confluent.io.INVALID>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the call out David. We will populate these fields for the
> > Observers as well. I will clarify this in the KIP.
> >
> > On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 1:50 PM David Arthur <davidart...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Niket, thanks for the KIP!
> >>
> >> Sorry for the late feedback on this, but I just had a quick question.
> The
> >> KIP indicates the two new fields will be set for voters only, however
> this
> >> ReplicaState struct is also used by the Observers in
> >> DescribeQuorumResponse. Will we simply fill in -1 for these values, or
> do
> >> we intend to report the last fetch and caught-up time of the observers
> as
> >> well?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >> David
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 1:46 PM Niket Goel <ng...@confluent.io.invalid>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for the feedback on this. I have started a voting thread for
> >>> this KIP here:
> >>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/bkb7gsbxpljh5qh014ztffq7bldjrb2x
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Niket Goel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Niket Goel <ng...@confluent.io>
> >>> Date: Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 5:25 PM
> >>> To: dev@kafka.apache.org <dev@kafka.apache.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] KIP-836: Addition of Information in
> >>> DescribeQuorumResponse about Voter Lag
> >>> Appreciate the careful review Jose.!
> >>>
> >>> Ack on 1 and 2. Will fix.
> >>>
> >>> For number 3 (and I am using [1] as a reference for this discussion), I
> >>> think the correct language to use would be:
> >>>
> >>> "Whenever a new fetch request
> >>> comes in the replica's last caught up time is updated to the time of
> >>> this fetch request if it requests an offset greater than or equal to
> the
> >>> leader's
> >>> current end offset"
> >>> Does that sound right now?
> >>>
> >>> Although I think I will go ahead and rewrite the explanation in a way
> >> that
> >>> is more understandable. Thanks for pointing this out.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> [1]
> >>>
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/kafka/blob/fa59be4e770627cd34cef85986b58ad7f606928d/core/src/main/scala/kafka/cluster/Replica.scala#L97
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 3:20 PM José Armando García Sancio
> >>> <jsan...@confluent.io.invalid> wrote:
> >>> Thanks for the Kafka improvement Niket.
> >>>
> >>> 1. For the fields `LastFetchTime` and `LastCaughtUpTime`, Kafka tends
> >>> to use the suffix "Timestamp" when the value is an absolute wall clock
> >>> value.
> >>>
> >>> 2. The method `result()` for the type `DescribeQuorumResult` returns
> >>> the type `DescribeQuorumResponseData`. The types generated from the
> >>> RPC JSON schema are internal to Kafka and not exposed to clients. For
> >>> the admin client we should use a different type that is explicitly
> >>> public. See `org.apache.kafka.client.admin.DescribeTopicsResult` for
> >>> an example.
> >>>
> >>> 3. The proposed section has his sentence "Whenever a new fetch request
> >>> comes in the replica's last caught up time is updated to the time of
> >>> the fetch request if it requests an offset greater than the leader's
> >>> current end offset." Did you mean "previous fetch time" instead of
> >>> "last caught up time"? What do you mean by "requests an offset greater
> >>> than the leader's current end offset.?" Excluding diverging logs the
> >>> follower fetch offset should never be greater than the leader LEO.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> -José
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> - Niket
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > - Niket
>
>

-- 
- Niket

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