Hi Andrew,

This is exactly the philosophy behind this KIP. To highlight cases like
KIP-932.

Best,

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Josep Prat
Open Source Engineering Director, Aiven
josep.p...@aiven.io   |   +491715557497 | aiven.io
Aiven Deutschland GmbH
Alexanderufer 3-7, 10117 Berlin
Geschäftsführer: Oskari Saarenmaa, Hannu Valtonen,
Anna Richardson, Kenne Chen
Amtsgericht Charlottenburg, HRB 209739 B

On Fri, Nov 8, 2024, 19:02 Andrew Schofield <
andrew_schofield_j...@outlook.com> wrote:

> Hi Colin,
> I think there is perhaps a difference for the very largest KIPs. "In
> development" means that there's some code merged but there's nothing useful
> for people except those doing the development. "Experimental" means that
> there's enough useful code merged that interested people can experiment
> with it. For KIP-932, we would have been "In development" for 3.9, and
> we'll be "Experimental" for 4.0, assuming this KIP is voted in time. It
> will not be in "Preview" for 4.0 because it's perhaps 80% code complete,
> the APIs might change yet and we have performance optimisation to do before
> we want widespread use apart from people who are not interested in this
> feature. I know there will be some of those keen to try it in 4.0. We'll
> aim for "Preview" in 4.1.
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew
> ________________________________________
> From: Colin McCabe <cmcc...@apache.org>
> Sent: 07 November 2024 23:31
> To: dev@kafka.apache.org <dev@kafka.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] KIP-1081: Graduation Steps for KIPs
>
> Hi Josep,
>
> Continuing the discussion from the other thread: I'm still not 100%
> convinced that we need a distinction between "in development" and
> "experimental." In both cases, end-users can't make use of the feature. So
> why not condense them into one step?
>
> With regard to "preview", I think "use in production: maybe" doesn't give
> very clear guidance. Is it better to just say no or "not recommended"? Or
> someone otherwise indicate that preview is mostly about testing the feature.
>
> best,
> Colin
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2024, at 02:27, Josep Prat wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > The discussion about graduation steps for KIPs has now stabilized and I'd
> > like to start a vote for it. Here you can find the KIP:
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/mYn9Eg
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --
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> >
> > *Josep Prat*
> > Open Source Engineering Director, *Aiven*
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