re: whitespace characters, I'm fine with the restriction since I don't see it becoming an issue in practice. I just don't see any reason to restrict it so it seems like we're going out of our way and doing extra work to be restrictive, but without clear motivation.
In general my default approach (without context of a specific system) would be to accept anything that we can encode in UTF-8 and only apply restrictions where it becomes necessary (e.g. we need to define a delimiter for some reason). The constraints of URLs introduce some complexity (you need escaping), but probably generally still allow this. If I can use an emoji when naming things, then I'm probably happy :) Whitespace characters definitely have some other issues (e.g. you can have non-visible whitespace which obscures which connector you're actually working with), but despite the JIRA linked, I wasn't really convinced they need special handling. It seems like a really weird issue to encounter in the first place. -Ewen On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 8:10 AM, Randall Hauch <rha...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sönke, I'm happy with the current proposal. > > Ewen, the proposal allows any characters in the name as long as they are > properly escaped/encoded. That seems to adhere to the robustness principle. > The only exception is that the proposal trims leading and trailing > whitespace characters in an attempt to reduce user errors. Can you please > clarify that you're okay with this behavior? I agree that technically we > can (and currently do) support whitespace-only names, but users have > reported this as problematic, and it also would be confusing for most user > interfaces. > > Best regards, > > Randall > > On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 10:31 PM, Ewen Cheslack-Postava <e...@confluent.io> > wrote: > > > Very late to the game here, but a few thoughts: > > > > 1. Regarding whether KIP is necessary, I don't mind doing it for > > documentation sake, but I would classify any mishandling of connector > names > > here as a bug. Which doesn't require a KIP to fix. > > > > 2. For support of characters, Kafka has some history of just being > > restrictive (e.g., see topic name restrictions), but I personally > disagree > > with this approach. I think it is better to be liberal in what we accept > > and just document limitations. I think our default should be to accept > any > > user input and document why we can't handle certain inputs and how the > user > > should adapt if we can't. In general I try to work under the robustness > > principle: *Be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept > > from others* > > > > 3. Related to 2, there were some cases like whitespace-only connector > > names. This seems extremely weird and not critical, so I'm fine not > > supporting it officially, but technically I don't see any reason it > > shouldn't be supported with any appropriate escaping (i.e. what would it > > break for us?). > > > > But in general, I think just being more explicit about expectations is > > great and it'd be great to set baseline expectations. > > > > -Ewen > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Sönke Liebau < > > soenke.lie...@opencore.com.invalid> wrote: > > > > > @Randall: are you happy with the KIP as it stands so I can call for a > > vote, > > > or are there any outstanding items still to discuss? > > > > > > Same question to anybody else who'd like to participate of course :) > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 5:35 PM, Sönke Liebau < > > soenke.lie...@opencore.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Sounds good. I've added a few sentences to this effect to the KIP. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Randall Hauch <rha...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Nice job updating the KIP. The PR ( > > > >> https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/2755/files) for the proposed > > > >> implementation does prevent names from being empty, and it trims > > > >> whitespace > > > >> from the name only when creating a new connector. However, the KIP's > > > >> "Proposed Change" section should probably be very clear about this, > > and > > > >> the > > > >> migration section should address how a connector that was created > with > > > >> leading and/or trailing whitespace characters will still be able to > be > > > >> updated and deleted. I think that decreases the likelihood of this > > > change > > > >> negatively impacting existing users. Basically, going forward, the > > names > > > >> of > > > >> new connectors will be trimmed. > > > >> > > > >> WDYT? > > > >> > > > >> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Sönke Liebau < > > > >> soenke.lie...@opencore.com.invalid> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > I've added some more detail to the KIP [1] around current > scenarios > > > that > > > >> > might break in the future. I actually came up with a second > > limitation > > > >> that > > > >> > we'd impose on users and also documented this. > > > >> > > > > >> > Let me know what you think. > > > >> > > > > >> > Kind regards, > > > >> > Sönke > > > >> > > > > >> > [1] > > > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP- > > > >> > 212%3A+Enforce+set+of+legal+characters+for+connector+names > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Sönke Liebau < > > > >> soenke.lie...@opencore.com> > > > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > > Hi Randall, > > > >> > > > > > >> > > I had mentioned this edge case in the KIP, but will add some > > further > > > >> > > detail to further clarify all changing scenarios post pull > > request. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Kind regards, > > > >> > > Sönke > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Randall Hauch < > rha...@gmail.com> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > >> No, we need to keep the KIP since we want to change/correct the > > > >> existing > > > >> > >> behavior. But we do need to clarify in the KIP these edge cases > > > that > > > >> > will > > > >> > >> change. > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> Thanks for the continued work on this, Sönke. > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> Regards, > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> Randall > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > On Nov 16, 2017, at 1:56 AM, Sönke Liebau < > > > >> soenke.lie...@opencore.com > > > >> > >> .INVALID> wrote: > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > Hi Randall, > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > zero length definitely works, that's what sent me down this > > hole > > > in > > > >> > the > > > >> > >> > first place. I had a customer accidentally create a connector > > > >> without > > > >> > a > > > >> > >> > name in his environment and then be unable to delete it. No > > > >> connector > > > >> > >> name > > > >> > >> > doesn't work, as this throws a null pointer exception due to > > > >> > KAFKA-4938 > > > >> > >> , > > > >> > >> > but once that is fixed would create a connector named "null" > I > > > >> think. > > > >> > >> Have > > > >> > >> > not retested this, but seen it in the past. > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > Also, it is possible to create connectors with trailing and > > > leading > > > >> > >> > whitespaces, this errors out on the create request (which > will > > be > > > >> > fixed > > > >> > >> > when KAFKA-4827 is merged), but correctly creates the > connector > > > and > > > >> > you > > > >> > >> can > > > >> > >> > access it if you percent-escape the curl call. This for me is > > the > > > >> main > > > >> > >> > reason why a KIP might be needed, as we are changing public > > > facing > > > >> > >> behavior > > > >> > >> > here. I agree with you, that this will probably not affect > > anyone > > > >> or > > > >> > >> hardly > > > >> > >> > anyone, but in principle it is a change that should need a > KIP > > I > > > >> > think. > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > I've retested and documented this for Confluent 3.3.0: > > > >> > >> > https://gist.github.com/soenkeliebau/9363745cff23560fcc234d9 > > > >> b64ac14c4 > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > I am of course happy to withdraw the KIP if you think it is > > > >> > unnecessary, > > > >> > >> > I've also updated the pull request for KAFKA-4930 to reflect > > the > > > >> > changes > > > >> > >> > stated in the KIP and tested the code with Arjuns pull > request > > > for > > > >> > >> > KAFKA-4827 to ensure they don't interfere with each other. > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > Let me know what you think. > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > Kind regards, > > > >> > >> > Sönke > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > ᐧ > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> >> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 7:03 PM, Randall Hauch < > > > rha...@gmail.com> > > > >> > >> wrote: > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > >> >> Thanks for updating the KIP to reflect the current process. > > > >> However, > > > >> > I > > > >> > >> >> still question whether it is necessary to have a KIP - it > > > depends > > > >> on > > > >> > >> >> whether it was possible with prior versions to have > connectors > > > >> with > > > >> > >> >> zero-length or blank names. Have you tried both of these > > cases? > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > >> >> On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 3:52 AM, Sönke Liebau < > > > >> > >> >> soenke.lie...@opencore.com.invalid> wrote: > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > >> >>> Hi Randall, > > > >> > >> >>> > > > >> > >> >>> I have set aside some time to work on this next week. The > fix > > > >> itself > > > >> > >> is > > > >> > >> >>> quite simple, but I've yet to write tests to properly catch > > > this, > > > >> > >> which > > > >> > >> >>> turns out to be a bit more complex, as it needs a running > > > >> restserver > > > >> > >> >> which > > > >> > >> >>> is mocked in the tests I've looked at so far. > > > >> > >> >>> > > > >> > >> >>> Should I withdraw the KIP or update it to reflect the > > > >> documentation > > > >> > >> >> changes > > > >> > >> >>> and enforced rules around trimming and zero length > connector > > > >> names? > > > >> > >> This > > > >> > >> >> is > > > >> > >> >>> a change to existing behavior, even if it is quite small > and > > > >> > probably > > > >> > >> >> won't > > > >> > >> >>> even be noticed by many people.. > > > >> > >> >>> > > > >> > >> >>> best regards, > > > >> > >> >>> Sönke > > > >> > >> >>> > > > >> > >> >>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:10 PM, Randall Hauch < > > > rha...@gmail.com > > > >> > > > > >> > >> wrote: > > > >> > >> >>>> > > > >> > >> >>>> Any progress on updating the PR and withdrawing KIP-212? > > > >> > >> >>>> > > > >> > >> >>>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Randall Hauch < > > > >> rha...@gmail.com> > > > >> > >> >> wrote: > > > >> > >> >>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>> Yes, connector names should not be blank or contain just > > > >> > whitespace. > > > >> > >> >> In > > > >> > >> >>>>> fact, I might recommend that we trim whitespace at the > > front > > > >> and > > > >> > >> rear > > > >> > >> >>> of > > > >> > >> >>>>> new connector names and then disallowing any zero-length > > > name. > > > >> > >> >> Existing > > > >> > >> >>>>> connectors would remain valid, and this would not break > > > >> backward > > > >> > >> >>>>> compatibility. That might require a small kip simply to > > > update > > > >> the > > > >> > >> >>>>> documentation and specify what names are valid. > > > >> > >> >>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>> WDYT? > > > >> > >> >>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>> Randall > > > >> > >> >>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Colin McCabe < > > > >> cmcc...@apache.org > > > >> > > > > > >> > >> >>>> wrote: > > > >> > >> >>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, at 01:07, Sönke Liebau wrote: > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> I've spent some time looking at this and testing > various > > > >> > >> >> characters > > > >> > >> >>>> and > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> it > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> would appear that Randall's suspicion was spot on. I > > think > > > we > > > >> > can > > > >> > >> >>>>>> support > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> a > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> fairly large set of characters with very minor changes. > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> I was put of by the exceptions that were thrown when > > > creating > > > >> > >> >>>> connectors > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> with certain characters and suspected a larger > underlying > > > >> > problem > > > >> > >> >>> when > > > >> > >> >>>>>> in > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> fact the only issue is, that the URL in the rest > request > > > >> used to > > > >> > >> >>>>>> retrieve > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> the response for the create connector request needs to > be > > > >> > percent > > > >> > >> >>>>>> encoded > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> [1]. > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> I've fixed this and done some local testing which > worked > > > out > > > >> > quite > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> nicely, > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> apart from two special cases, I've not been able to > find > > > >> > >> >> characters > > > >> > >> >>>> that > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> created issues, even space and slash work. > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> The mentioned special cases are: > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> \ - if the name contains a backslash that is not the > > > >> beginning > > > >> > >> >>> of a > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> valid escape sequence the request fails before we ever > > get > > > >> it in > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> ConnectorsResource, so a backslash would need to be > > > escaped: > > > >> \\ > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> " - Quotation marks need to be escaped as well to > keep > > > the > > > >> > json > > > >> > >> >>>> body > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> of > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> the request legal: \" > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> In both cases the escape character will be part of the > > > >> connector > > > >> > >> >>> name > > > >> > >> >>>>>> and > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> need to be specified in the url to retrieve the > connector > > > as > > > >> > well, > > > >> > >> >>>> even > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> though we could URL encode it in a legal way without > > > escaping > > > >> > >> >> here. > > > >> > >> >>> So > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> they > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> work, not sure if I'd recommend using those characters, > > but > > > >> no > > > >> > >> >> real > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> reason > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> to prohibit people from using them that I can see > either. > > > >> > >> >>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>> Good research, Sönke. > > > >> > >> >>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> What I'd do going forward is: > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> - withdraw the KIP, as I don't see a real need for one, > > > since > > > >> > this > > > >> > >> >>> is > > > >> > >> >>>>>> not > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> changing anything, just fixing things. > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> - add a section to the documentation around legal > > > characters, > > > >> > >> >>> specify > > > >> > >> >>>>>> the > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> ones I tested explicitly (url encoded %20 - %7F) and > > > mention > > > >> > that > > > >> > >> >>> most > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> other characters should work as well but no guarantees > > are > > > >> given > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> - update the pull request for KAFKA-4930 to allow all > > > >> characters > > > >> > >> >> but > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> still > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> prohibit creating a connector with an empty name. I'd > > > >> propose to > > > >> > >> >>> keep > > > >> > >> >>>>>> the > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> validator though as it'll give us a central location to > > do > > > >> any > > > >> > >> >>>> checking > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> that might turn out to be necessary later on. > > > >> > >> >>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>> Are empty names currently allowed? That's unfortunate. > > > >> > >> >>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> - add some integration tests to check connectors with > > > special > > > >> > >> >>>> characters > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> in > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> their names work > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> - fix the url encoding line in ConnectorsResource > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> Does that sound fair to everybody? > > > >> > >> >>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>> It sounds good to me, but I will let someone more > > > >> knowledgeable > > > >> > >> >> about > > > >> > >> >>>>>> connect chime in. > > > >> > >> >>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>> best, > > > >> > >> >>>>>> Colin > > > >> > >> >>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> Kind regards, > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> Sönke > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> [1] > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/kafka/blob/trunk/connect/ > > > runtime/ > > > >> > >> >>>>>> src/main/java/org/apache/kafka/connect/runtime/rest/ > > > >> > >> >>>>>> resources/ConnectorsResource.java#L102 > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 8:40 PM, Colin McCabe < > > > >> > cmcc...@apache.org > > > >> > >> >>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>> wrote: > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017, at 11:28, Sönke Liebau wrote: > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> Hi, > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> after reading your messages I'll grant that I might > > have > > > >> > >> >> picked > > > >> > >> >>> a > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> somewhat > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> draconic option to solve these issues. > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> In general I believe that properly encoding the URLs > > > after > > > >> > >> >>> having > > > >> > >> >>>>>> created > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> the connectors should solve a lot of the issues > > already. > > > >> For > > > >> > >> >>> some > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> characters the rest api returns an error on creating > > the > > > >> > >> >>> connector > > > >> > >> >>>>>> as > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> well, > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> so for that URL encoding won't help. However the > > > >> connectors do > > > >> > >> >>> get > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> created > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> even though an error is returned, I've never > > investigated > > > >> if > > > >> > >> >>> they > > > >> > >> >>>>>> are in > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> a > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> consistent state tbh - I'll give this another look. > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> @colin: Entity encoding would allow us to encode a > lot > > of > > > >> > >> >>>>>> characters, > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> however I am unsure whether we should prefer it over > > url > > > >> > >> >>> encoding > > > >> > >> >>>>>> in this > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> case, as mostly the end user would have to encode the > > > >> > >> >> characters > > > >> > >> >>>>>> himself. > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> And due to entity encoding ending every character > with > > a > > > ; > > > >> > >> >> which > > > >> > >> >>>>>> causes > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> embedded jetty server to cut the connector name at > that > > > >> > >> >>> character > > > >> > >> >>>>>> we'd > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> probably need to encode that character in URL > encoding > > > >> again > > > >> > >> >> for > > > >> > >> >>>>>> that to > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> work out - which might get a bit too complex tbh. > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>> Sorry, I meant to write percent-encoding, not entity > > refs. > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percent-encoding > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>> best, > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>> Colin > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> I will further investigate which characters the url > > > >> decoding > > > >> > >> >>> that > > > >> > >> >>>>>> jetty > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> brings to the table will let us use and if all of > these > > > are > > > >> > >> >>>>>> correctly > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> handled during connector creation and report back > with > > a > > > >> new > > > >> > >> >>> list > > > >> > >> >>>> of > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> characters that I think we can support fairly easily. > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> Kind regards, > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> Sönke > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Colin McCabe < > > > >> > >> >>> cmcc...@apache.org > > > >> > >> >>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> It should be possible to use entity references to > > encode > > > >> > >> >> these > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> characters in URLs. See > > https://dev.w3.org/html5/html- > > > >> > >> >>>>>> author/charref > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Maybe I'm misunderstanding the problem, but can we > > > simply > > > >> > >> >>> encode > > > >> > >> >>>>>> the > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> URLs, rather than restricting the names? > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> best, > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Colin > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, at 14:12, Randall Hauch > wrote: > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Here's the link to KIP-212: > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage > . > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> action?pageId=74684586 > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I do think it's worthwhile to define the rules for > > > >> > >> >> connector > > > >> > >> >>>>>> names. > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> However, I think it would be better to describe the > > > >> > >> >> current > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>> restrictions > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> for names outside of them appearing within URLs. > For > > > >> > >> >>> example, > > > >> > >> >>>>>> if we > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>> can > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> keep connector names relatively free of constraints > > but > > > >> > >> >>>> instead > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>> define > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> how > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> names should be encoded when used within URLs > (e.g., > > > URL > > > >> > >> >>>>>> encoding), > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>> then > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> we > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> may not have (m)any backward compatibility issues > > other > > > >> > >> >> than > > > >> > >> >>>>>> fixing > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>> some > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> bugs related to proper encoding/decoding. > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts? > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Sönke Liebau < > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> soenke.lie...@opencore.com.invalid> wrote: > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> All, > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've created a KIP to discuss enforcing of rules > on > > > what > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>> characters are > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> allowed in connector names. > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Since this may break api calls that are currently > > > >> > >> >> working > > > >> > >> >>> I > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>> figured a > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> KIP > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> is the better way to go than to just create a > jira. > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'd love to hear your input on this! > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> -- > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> Sönke Liebau > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> Partner > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> Tel. +49 179 7940878 > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> OpenCore GmbH & Co. KG - Thomas-Mann-Straße 8 - 22880 > > > >> Wedel - > > > >> > >> >>>>>> Germany > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> -- > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> Sönke Liebau > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> Partner > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> Tel. +49 179 7940878 > > > >> > >> >>>>>>> OpenCore GmbH & Co. KG - Thomas-Mann-Straße 8 - 22880 > > > Wedel - > > > >> > >> >>> Germany > > > >> > >> >>>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>>> > > > >> > >> >>>> > > > >> > >> >>> > > > >> > >> >>> > > > >> > >> >>> > > > >> > >> >>> -- > > > >> > >> >>> Sönke Liebau > > > >> > >> >>> Partner > > > >> > >> >>> Tel. +49 179 7940878 <+49%20179%207940878> > > > >> > >> >>> OpenCore GmbH & Co. KG - Thomas-Mann-Straße 8 - 22880 > Wedel - > > > >> > Germany > > > >> > >> >>> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > -- > > > >> > >> > Sönke Liebau > > > >> > >> > Partner > > > >> > >> > Tel. +49 179 7940878 <+49%20179%207940878> > > > >> > >> > OpenCore GmbH & Co. KG - Thomas-Mann-Straße 8 - 22880 Wedel - > > > >> Germany > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > -- > > > >> > > Sönke Liebau > > > >> > > Partner > > > >> > > Tel. +49 179 7940878 <+49%20179%207940878> > > > >> > > OpenCore GmbH & Co. KG - Thomas-Mann-Straße 8 - 22880 Wedel - > > > Germany > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > -- > > > >> > Sönke Liebau > > > >> > Partner > > > >> > Tel. +49 179 7940878 > > > >> > OpenCore GmbH & Co. KG - Thomas-Mann-Straße 8 - 22880 Wedel - > > Germany > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Sönke Liebau > > > > Partner > > > > Tel. +49 179 7940878 <+49%20179%207940878> > > > > OpenCore GmbH & Co. KG - Thomas-Mann-Straße 8 - 22880 Wedel - Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sönke Liebau > > > Partner > > > Tel. +49 179 7940878 > > > OpenCore GmbH & Co. KG - Thomas-Mann-Straße 8 - 22880 Wedel - Germany > > > > > >
