Thank you Enrique and Francisco for your input... I understand the data-index role, it was more a thought provoking statement :)
+1 regarding discussing other stuff first before a comprehensive data purge approach On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 8:45 AM Francisco Javier Tirado Sarti <ftira...@redhat.com> wrote: > > Regarding STP (which is not a concept that we have in the code. I mean STP > are processes as nonSTP are), I guess, as all processes, they were kept in > DataIndex once completed because users wanted (and still wants) to check > the result once the call had been performed. If we want to leave no trace > of them in DataIndex for some reason, we will need to make it a > Runtimes concept so DataIndex can handle them in a different way. > > On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 2:27 PM Enrique Gonzalez Martinez < > egonza...@apache.org> wrote: > > > Alex: > > Right now the data index is working in the same way as it did in v7 with > > the emitters. The only difference between two impl is that in here the > > storage is pgsql instead elastic search. You are right regarding is a > > snapshot of the last state of the process but we did never define how long > > would be alive that dats Honestly i am happy right now with the way it > > works. The clean up mechanism is still tbd because we still need to discuss > > other stuff first. > > > > > > Regarding stp is to leave no trail because u can get the outcome directly > > from the call. It was defined like that in v7. So there is no use for the > > index or the audit. > > > > El lun, 19 feb 2024, 14:13, Francisco Javier Tirado Sarti < > > ftira...@redhat.com> escribió: > > > > > Hi Alex, > > > There has been some confusion about the purpose of DataIndex. To be > > honest > > > I believe they were already sorted out, but your e-mail makes me think > > that > > > is not the case ;). I let Kris to clarify that with you. My view is that > > > data-index is a way to query recently closed and active processes (the > > key > > > here is the definition of recently, which in my opinion should be > > > configurable) > > > But, besides that discussion and being pragmatic, keeping finishing > > process > > > instances "for a while" in DataIndex was the only way for users to query > > > the result of straight through processes. That's a function that cannot > > be > > > removed right now > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 1:33 PM Alex Porcelli <porce...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > > > > > if data index was supposed to provide snapshot view of the process > > > > instance… why do we keep it after the process instance is finished? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 7:12 AM Francisco Javier Tirado Sarti < > > > > ftira...@redhat.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Martin. > > > > > After taking a deeper look at this, I realize that the behaviour is > > the > > > > > expected one. > > > > > Runtimes DB does not track the completed process instance (that's > > what > > > > the > > > > > JDBCProcessInstances warn is telling us), but DataIndex, as expected, > > > is > > > > > tracking it in processes and nodes table. And yes it will grow over > > > time. > > > > > What we need is some configurable purge mechanism for DataIndex, so > > it > > > > > eventually removes older completed process instances. > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 12:59 PM Francisco Javier Tirado Sarti < > > > > > ftira...@redhat.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > > > Good catch!. Looks like the skipping performed for process > > instances > > > is > > > > > > not applied to node instances. Something we definitely need to > > review > > > > on > > > > > > the runtimes side. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 11:59 PM Martin Weiler > > > <mwei...@ibm.com.invalid > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> On a somewhat related note, testing a simple workflow (start -> > > > script > > > > > >> node -> end), I see the following messages in the logs: > > > > > >> 2024-02-12 22:49:50,493 28758dde544c WARN > > > > > >> [org.kie.kogito.persistence.jdbc.JDBCProcessInstances:-1] > > > > > >> (executor-thread-3) Skipping create of process instance id: > > > > > >> 7083088e-b899-47cb-b85c-5d9ccb0aa166, state: 2 > > > > > >> > > > > > >> So far, so good. And I'd expect to see no trace of this process in > > > the > > > > > >> database if I don't have data audit enabled. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> However, the 'processes' table contains a row with state=2, with > > > > related > > > > > >> entries in the 'nodes' table. In a load test, I see these tables > > > grow > > > > > >> significantly over time. Am I missing something to have these > > > entries > > > > > >> cleaned up automatically? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ________________________________________ > > > > > >> From: Martin Weiler <mwei...@ibm.com.INVALID> > > > > > >> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 3:40 PM > > > > > >> To: dev@kie.apache.org > > > > > >> Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: [DISCUSSION] Performance issues with > > > > data-index > > > > > >> persistence addon > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Thanks everyone for your input. Based on this discussion, I opened > > > the > > > > > >> following PR: > > > > > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-kogito-apps/pull/1985 > > > > > >> > > > > > >> With this change, the performance seems to be stable over time: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zkullvfrJpRp7TRjxDa41ok6kEIR7Fty/view?usp=sharing > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Martin > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ________________________________________ > > > > > >> From: Gonzalo Muñoz <gmuno...@apache.org> > > > > > >> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2024 9:42 AM > > > > > >> To: dev@kie.apache.org > > > > > >> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [DISCUSSION] Performance issues with > > > > data-index > > > > > >> persistence addon > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Great work Francisco, > > > > > >> Martin, take a look at this link with some related tips (in case > > you > > > > > find > > > > > >> it useful): > > > > > >> https://www.cybertec-postgresql.com/en/index-your-foreign-key/ > > > > > >> > > > > > >> El vie, 9 feb 2024 a las 17:20, Francisco Javier Tirado Sarti (< > > > > > >> ftira...@redhat.com>) escribió: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > For the moment being, we will keep JPA till we exhaust all > > > > > >> possibilities, > > > > > >> > let's call switching from jpa to jdbc our hidden plan B ;) > > > > > >> > I already told Martin, but in order everyone to know, just after > > > > > writing > > > > > >> > the previous email, I thought "what if Postgres is not > > > automatically > > > > > >> > indexing foreign keys like mysql?" and, eureka > > > > > >> > Postgres doc > > > > > >> > https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/ddl-constraints.html > > > > > >> > Mysql doc > > > > > >> > > > > https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/8.0/en/constraint-foreign-key.html > > > > > >> > These are the relevant excerpt > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > *Postgresql* > > > > > >> > *A foreign key must reference columns that either are a primary > > > key > > > > or > > > > > >> form > > > > > >> > a unique constraint, or are columns from a non-partial unique > > > index. > > > > > >> This > > > > > >> > means that the referenced columns always have an index to allow > > > > > >> efficient > > > > > >> > lookups on whether a referencing row has a match. Since a DELETE > > > of > > > > a > > > > > >> row > > > > > >> > from the referenced table or an UPDATE of a referenced column > > will > > > > > >> require > > > > > >> > a scan of the referencing table for rows matching the old value, > > > it > > > > is > > > > > >> > often a good idea to index the referencing columns too. Because > > > this > > > > > is > > > > > >> not > > > > > >> > always needed, and there are many choices available on how to > > > index, > > > > > the > > > > > >> > declaration of a foreign key constraint does not automatically > > > > create > > > > > an > > > > > >> > index on the referencing columns.* > > > > > >> > *Mysql* > > > > > >> > *MySQL requires that foreign key columns be indexed; if you > > > create a > > > > > >> table > > > > > >> > with a foreign key constraint but no index on a given column, an > > > > index > > > > > >> is > > > > > >> > created. * > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > So I asked Martin to especially create an index for > > > > > process_instance_id > > > > > >> > column on nodes table > > > > > >> > I think that will fix the problem detected on the thread dump. > > > > > >> > The simpler process test to verify queries are fine still > > stands, > > > > > >> though ;) > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 5:10 PM Tibor Zimányi < > > tzima...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > I always preferred pure JDBC over Hibernate myself, just for > > the > > > > > sake > > > > > >> of > > > > > >> > > control of what is happening :) So I would not -1 that myself. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Tibor > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Dňa pi 9. 2. 2024, 17:00 Francisco Javier Tirado Sarti < > > > > > >> > > ftira...@redhat.com> > > > > > >> > > napísal(a): > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Hi, > > > > > >> > > > Usually I do not want to talk about work in progress because > > > > > >> > preliminary > > > > > >> > > > conclusions are pretty volatile but, well, there are a > > couple > > > of > > > > > >> things > > > > > >> > > > that can be concluded from the really valuable information > > > that > > > > > >> Martin > > > > > >> > > > provided. > > > > > >> > > > 1) In order to be able to determine if the number of > > > statements > > > > is > > > > > >> > larger > > > > > >> > > > than expected, I asked Martin to test with a simpler process > > > > > >> > definition. > > > > > >> > > > One with just three nodes: start, script and end. The script > > > one > > > > > >> should > > > > > >> > > > change just one variable. This way we can analyze if the > > > number > > > > of > > > > > >> > > queries > > > > > >> > > > is the expected one. From the single log (audit was > > activated > > > > > them) > > > > > >> my > > > > > >> > > > conclusion is that the number of insert/updates over > > processes > > > > and > > > > > >> > nodes > > > > > >> > > > (there a lot over task, that I will prefer to skip for now, > > > baby > > > > > >> steps) > > > > > >> > > is > > > > > >> > > > the expected one. > > > > > >> > > > 2) Analysing the thread dump, we see around 15 threads > > > executing > > > > > >> this > > > > > >> > > line > > > > > >> > > > at > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > org.kie.kogito.index.jpa.storage.ProcessInstanceEntityStorage.indexNode(ProcessInstanceEntityStorage.java:125), > > > > > >> > > > so its pretty clear the code to be optimized ;). I'm > > > evaluating > > > > > >> > > > possibilities within JPA/Hibernate, but I'm starting to > > think > > > > that > > > > > >> it > > > > > >> > > might > > > > > >> > > > be better to switch to JDBC and skip hibernate. Our lives > > will > > > > be > > > > > >> > > simpler, > > > > > >> > > > especially with a schema relatively simple like ours (that > > > will > > > > be > > > > > >> my > > > > > >> > > > recommendation if I was an external consultant) > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 4:15 PM Tibor Zimányi < > > > > tzima...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Hi, > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > this will be a bit off-topic. However as far as > > > performance, I > > > > > >> think > > > > > >> > we > > > > > >> > > > > should think about that we have string primary keys > > (IDs). I > > > > > would > > > > > >> > > expect > > > > > >> > > > > the database systems are much better with indexing numeric > > > > keys > > > > > >> than > > > > > >> > > > > strings. I remember from the past, when I was working with > > > > DBs, > > > > > >> that > > > > > >> > > > using > > > > > >> > > > > strings as keys or indexes was a discouraged practice. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Best regards, > > > > > >> > > > > Tibor > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Dňa št 8. 2. 2024, 22:45 Martin Weiler > > > > <mwei...@ibm.com.invalid > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > napísal(a): > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > I changed the test to use MongoDB [1] and I don't see a > > > > > >> performance > > > > > >> > > > > > degradation with this setup [2]. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Please keep us posted of your findings. Thanks! > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Martin > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > [1] > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > https://github.com/martinweiler/job-service-refactor-test/tree/mongodb > > > > > >> > > > > > [2] > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NfacXaxJlgRMw4OQ5S20cvkzvaUKUVFj/view?usp=sharing > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > > > >> > > > > > From: Francisco Javier Tirado Sarti < > > ftira...@redhat.com> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2024 11:40 AM > > > > > >> > > > > > To: dev@kie.apache.org > > > > > >> > > > > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [DISCUSSION] Performance issues > > > with > > > > > >> > > data-index > > > > > >> > > > > > persistence addon > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > yes, it can be index degradation because of size, but I > > > > > believe > > > > > >> (I > > > > > >> > > > might > > > > > >> > > > > be > > > > > >> > > > > > wrong) the db is too small (yet) for that. > > > > > >> > > > > > But, eventually, Postgres, when the DB is huge enough, > > > > > >> unavoidably > > > > > >> > > will > > > > > >> > > > > > behave like the graphic that Martin sent. > > > > > >> > > > > > Since I believe we are not huge enough (yet), lets rule > > > out > > > > > >> another > > > > > >> > > > issue > > > > > >> > > > > > by analysing the sql logs (I requested those to Martin > > > > offline > > > > > >> and > > > > > >> > he > > > > > >> > > > is > > > > > >> > > > > > going to kindly collect them). > > > > > >> > > > > > Also Im curious to know if Mongo behave in the same way. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 7:25 PM Enrique Gonzalez > > Martinez < > > > > > >> > > > > > egonza...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hi Francisco, > > > > > >> > > > > > > I would highly recommend to check indexes and how the > > > > > updates > > > > > >> > work > > > > > >> > > in > > > > > >> > > > > > data > > > > > >> > > > > > > index to avoid full scan table and lock the full > > table. > > > > Some > > > > > >> db > > > > > >> > are > > > > > >> > > > > very > > > > > >> > > > > > > sensitive to that. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > El mié, 7 feb 2024, 18:41, Francisco Javier Tirado > > > Sarti < > > > > > >> > > > > > > ftira...@redhat.com> escribió: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > > >> > > > > > > > While I analyze the data, let me ask you if it is > > > > possible > > > > > >> to > > > > > >> > > > perform > > > > > >> > > > > > > > another check (similar in a way to disabling > > > data-index > > > > > like > > > > > >> > you > > > > > >> > > > do) > > > > > >> > > > > > Can > > > > > >> > > > > > > > you switch to MongoDB persistence and check if the > > > same > > > > > >> > > degradation > > > > > >> > > > > > that > > > > > >> > > > > > > is > > > > > >> > > > > > > > there for postgres remains? > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I do not know if this is feasible but will certainly > > > > > >> indicate > > > > > >> > the > > > > > >> > > > > > problem > > > > > >> > > > > > > > is on the postgres storage layer and I do not have a > > > > clear > > > > > >> > > > prediction > > > > > >> > > > > > of > > > > > >> > > > > > > > what we will see when doing this switch. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 6:37 PM Martin Weiler > > > > > >> > > > <mwei...@ibm.com.invalid > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hi Francisco, > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > thanks for your work on this important topic! > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I would like to share some test results here, > > which > > > > > might > > > > > >> > help > > > > > >> > > to > > > > > >> > > > > > > improve > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the codebase even further. I am using the jmeter > > > based > > > > > >> test > > > > > >> > > case > > > > > >> > > > > from > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Pere > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > and Enrique (thanks guys!) [1] which uses a load > > of > > > 30 > > > > > >> > threads > > > > > >> > > to > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1) start a new process instance (POST) > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2) retrieve tasks for a user (GET) > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 3) fetches task details (GET) > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 4) complete a task (POST) > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 5) execute a query on data-audit > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > With this test setup, I noticed that the > > performance > > > > for > > > > > >> the > > > > > >> > > POST > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > requests, in particular the one to start a new > > > process > > > > > >> > > instance, > > > > > >> > > > > > > degrades > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > over time - see graph [2]. If I run the same test > > > > > without > > > > > >> > > > > data-index, > > > > > >> > > > > > > > then > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > there is no such performance degradation [3]. You > > > can > > > > > >> find a > > > > > >> > > > thread > > > > > >> > > > > > > dump > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > captured a few minutes into the first test here > > [4] > > > > that > > > > > >> > might > > > > > >> > > > help > > > > > >> > > > > > to > > > > > >> > > > > > > > see > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > some of the contention points. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I'd appreciate if you could take a look and see if > > > > there > > > > > >> is > > > > > >> > > > > something > > > > > >> > > > > > > > that > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > can be further improved based on your previous > > work. > > > > If > > > > > >> you > > > > > >> > > need > > > > > >> > > > > any > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > additional data, let me know, but otherwise it is > > > > > >> > > straightforward > > > > > >> > > > > to > > > > > >> > > > > > > run > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the jmeter test as well. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Martin > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > >> https://github.com/pefernan/job-service-refactor-test/ > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [2] > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Gqn-ixE05kXv2jdssAUlnMuUVcHxIYZ0/view?usp=sharing > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [3] > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/10gVNyb4JYg_bA18bNhY9dEDbPn3TOxL7/view?usp=sharing > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [4] > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jVrtsO49gCvUlnaC9AUAtkVKTm4PbdUv/view?usp=sharing > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > From: Francisco Javier Tirado Sarti < > > > > > ftira...@redhat.com> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2024 9:13 AM > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > To: dev@kie.apache.org > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Cc: Pere Fernandez Perez > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [DISCUSSION] Performance > > > > issues > > > > > >> with > > > > > >> > > > > > data-index > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > persistence addon > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I did not take times (which depends on a number of > > > > > >> variables > > > > > >> > > that > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > drastically change between environments), but > > verify > > > > > that > > > > > >> the > > > > > >> > > > > number > > > > > >> > > > > > of > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > updates has been reduced drastically without > > losing > > > > > >> > > > functionality, > > > > > >> > > > > > > which > > > > > >> > > > > > > > is > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > objectively a good thing. If before the change, > > for > > > > > every > > > > > >> > node > > > > > >> > > > > > > executed, > > > > > >> > > > > > > > we > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > have an update for every node previously executed, > > > so > > > > > if a > > > > > >> > > > process > > > > > >> > > > > > have > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 50 > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > nodes to execute, we were performing nearly > > 50*51/2 > > > > > >> updates, > > > > > >> > > > which > > > > > >> > > > > > > gives > > > > > >> > > > > > > > us > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > a total of 1275 updates, now we have just one for > > > > every > > > > > >> node > > > > > >> > > > being > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > executed, implying a total of 50 updates. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 3:18 PM Alex Porcelli < > > > > > >> > > a...@porcelli.me> > > > > > >> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Francisco, > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I noticed that your PR has been merged, but I > > was > > > > > >> expecting > > > > > >> > > (at > > > > > >> > > > > > least > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > was my understanding from this thread) that > > before > > > > > >> merging > > > > > >> > > some > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > benchmark data would be shared in advance - to > > > > assess > > > > > >> the > > > > > >> > > > > > > cost/benefit > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > of such a decent size change. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Do you have any information to share? > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 23, 2023 at 4:02 AM Francisco Javier > > > > > Tirado > > > > > >> > Sarti > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > <ftira...@redhat.com> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, as intended, now we have one select and > > one > > > > > >> > > > insert/update > > > > > >> > > > > > per > > > > > >> > > > > > > > node > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > event. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I moved the PR as ready for review and give > > > @Pere > > > > > >> > Fernandez > > > > > >> > > > > Perez > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > <pefer...@redhat.com> permission to the > > branch > > > so > > > > > he > > > > > >> can > > > > > >> > > > edit > > > > > >> > > > > it > > > > > >> > > > > > > in > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > next two weeks (Ill be on PTO) if desired, > > > before > > > > > >> > merging. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 5:58 PM Alex Porcelli > > < > > > > > >> > > > > a...@porcelli.me> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Cool, thank you Francisco! > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Did you manage to get some preliminary data > > > > about > > > > > >> > > > > improvements? > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 11:52 AM Francisco > > > > Javier > > > > > >> > Tirado > > > > > >> > > > > Sarti > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > <ftira...@redhat.com> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, after some delay because of quarkus 3 > > > > > >> migration. > > > > > >> > > Im > > > > > >> > > > > > > refining > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > draft PR > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-kogito-apps/pull/1941 > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 5:48 PM Alex > > > Porcelli > > > > < > > > > > >> > > > > > > a...@porcelli.me> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any update or new findings on this > > topic? > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 8:38 AM > > Francisco > > > > > Javier > > > > > >> > > Tirado > > > > > >> > > > > > Sarti > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ftira...@redhat.com> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After considering different options to > > > > > improve > > > > > >> > > > > > performance, > > > > > >> > > > > > > > we > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is time to "partially" move away from > > > the > > > > > >> current > > > > > >> > > Map > > > > > >> > > > > > style > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > interface ( > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-kogito-apps/blob/main/persistence-commons/persistence-commons-api/src/main/java/org/kie/kogito/persistence/api/Storage.java > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which was shared with Trusty, to one > > > more > > > > > >> > suitable > > > > > >> > > > for > > > > > >> > > > > > > usage > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > with a > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relational DB like postgresql (but > > still > > > > > >> > compatible > > > > > >> > > > > with > > > > > >> > > > > > > big > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > table > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > dbs). > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The idea will be to replace generic > > > > Storage > > > > > >> > > interface > > > > > >> > > > > by > > > > > >> > > > > > > four > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > specific > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interfaces (which will inherit from a > > > > common > > > > > >> one > > > > > >> > > that > > > > > >> > > > > > keeps > > > > > >> > > > > > > > the > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > query > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > part > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at is it. with get and query methods), > > > > that > > > > > >> will > > > > > >> > > > > include > > > > > >> > > > > > > the > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > required > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > modification operations for the four > > > > > DataIndex > > > > > >> > > > > "domains": > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > processinstance, > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > usertask, processdefinitions and jobs. > > > > Those > > > > > >> > > > interfaces > > > > > >> > > > > > > will > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > define > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > methods > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like addNode, addVariable, updateTask, > > > > > >> > > > > addAttachment..... > > > > > >> > > > > > > > that > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > allow > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the persistent layer implementation > > to > > > > just > > > > > >> > update > > > > > >> > > > the > > > > > >> > > > > > > > needed > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > info > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DB (for example, for addNode in > > > Postgres, > > > > > >> just > > > > > >> > > > insert > > > > > >> > > > > a > > > > > >> > > > > > > row > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > into > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > nodes > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > table, for addNode in Mongo, basically > > > the > > > > > >> same > > > > > >> > > > atomic > > > > > >> > > > > > > upsert > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > operation > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is currently done). Therefore, we > > > > > >> increase > > > > > >> > > > > > performance > > > > > >> > > > > > > > for > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Postgres > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and keep the current one for Mongo. > > The > > > > > >> current > > > > > >> > DB > > > > > >> > > > > > schemas > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > won't > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > touched. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since the code change is large, I do > > not > > > > > think > > > > > >> > I'll > > > > > >> > > > be > > > > > >> > > > > > able > > > > > >> > > > > > > > to > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready till next week. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But before starting, please let me > > know > > > if > > > > > >> that > > > > > >> > > > > approach > > > > > >> > > > > > is > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > fine > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 6:55 PM Alex > > > > > Porcelli > > > > > >> < > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > a...@porcelli.me> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Francisco to getting > > deeper > > > on > > > > > >> this… > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to see the results > > of > > > > your > > > > > >> > > > suggested > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > improvements. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 9:40 AM > > > > Francisco > > > > > >> > Javier > > > > > >> > > > > Tirado > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sarti < > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ftira...@redhat.com> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I forgot to attach the queries > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 3:04 PM > > > > > Francisco > > > > > >> > > Javier > > > > > >> > > > > > Tirado > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sarti < > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ftira...@redhat.com> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi, > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> A brief update on this topic. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> After doing a simple test with > > > > example > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-kogito-examples/tree/stable/serverless-workflow-examples/serverless-workflow-data-index-quarkus > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the number of updates over Nodes > > > > table > > > > > is > > > > > >> > n*n, > > > > > >> > > > so > > > > > >> > > > > we > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > manage > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > obtain a > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> perfect quadratic performance > > > > > >> degradation. > > > > > >> > The > > > > > >> > > > > > problem > > > > > >> > > > > > > > is > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > worse > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> of Serverless Workflow than in > > BPMN > > > > > >> because > > > > > >> > we > > > > > >> > > > the > > > > > >> > > > > > > > number > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > of > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > nodes > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> greater than the number of > > states. > > > In > > > > > >> that > > > > > >> > > > > example N > > > > > >> > > > > > > is > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 16, > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> complex workflow it would be > > > > certainly > > > > > >> > large. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I think that this is more related > > > to > > > > > how > > > > > >> we > > > > > >> > > are > > > > > >> > > > > > > handling > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > JPA in > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > code, > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> in particular the mapping from > > > model > > > > to > > > > > >> > entity > > > > > >> > > > > > > > (basically > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > JPA is > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > blind > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> has to update all nodes for every > > > > write > > > > > >> > > because > > > > > >> > > > it > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > believes > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > node has > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> been updated, although it is not) > > > > than > > > > > an > > > > > >> > > issue > > > > > >> > > > in > > > > > >> > > > > > the > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > table > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > definition. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> In fact, when using JPA, > > separating > > > > the > > > > > >> > server > > > > > >> > > > > model > > > > > >> > > > > > > > from > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > JPA > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entity is > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> not a good idea, especially if > > the > > > > > entity > > > > > >> > > > contains > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > collections. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> to change that without breaking > > > > > anything. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 12:10 PM > > > > > Enrique > > > > > >> > > > Gonzalez > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Martinez < > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> egonza...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> After the events split you now > > > will > > > > > >> need to > > > > > >> > > > > create > > > > > >> > > > > > a > > > > > >> > > > > > > > node > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > instance > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> model instance of making > > > independent > > > > > >> from > > > > > >> > the > > > > > >> > > > > > process > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > instance. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> That should do the trick. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Regarding deleting/inserting it > > > was > > > > > >> fixed > > > > > >> > at > > > > > >> > > > some > > > > > >> > > > > > > > point. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> El mar, 21 nov 2023 a las 20:22, > > > > > >> Francisco > > > > > >> > > > Javier > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Tirado > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sarti > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> (<ftira...@redhat.com>) > > escribió: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Hi Martin, > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > I have a task to review > > > > performance > > > > > of > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ProcessInstanceNodeDataEventMerger > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > My idea is to reduce the > > number > > > of > > > > > >> delete > > > > > >> > > > > inserts > > > > > >> > > > > > > > when > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > processing > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> events > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > and try to do it incremental. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > That should improve > > performance. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > PS: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > I was planning to send an > > e-mail > > > > > >> tomorrow > > > > > >> > > > > > > announcing > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > that in > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > case you > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> were > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > already working on a fix for > > > > that. 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--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > dev-unsubscr...@kie.apache.org > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > For additional commands, > > > e-mail: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > dev-h...@kie.apache.org > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > > >> > > > > > > dev-unsubscr...@kie.apache.org > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > dev-h...@kie.apache.org > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > > >> > > > > > dev-unsubscr...@kie.apache.org > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > > >> > > > > > > dev-h...@kie.apache.org > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > > >> > > dev-unsubscr...@kie.apache.org > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > > >> > > > dev-h...@kie.apache.org > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > > >> dev-unsubscr...@kie.apache.org > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > > >> > dev-h...@kie.apache.org > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > > dev-unsubscr...@kie.apache.org > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > > >> dev-h...@kie.apache.org > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > dev-unsubscr...@kie.apache.org > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > > dev-h...@kie.apache.org > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@kie.apache.org > > > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@kie.apache.org > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@kie.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@kie.apache.org
