Tony,

thank you for your reply.

The Apache policy however DOES NOT says this.

https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html

At least we should have tried to discuss the objections and move to some
form of consensus.

I can't see how htis has happened.

Probably I am missing something fundamental.

Regards

P.


On Tue, Mar 11, 2025 at 1:47 PM Toni Rikkola <trikk...@redhat.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> For everything that has been proposed there has not been a clear security
> risk or performance issue, so following the original Apache guideline -1 is
> a vote against it, not a veto. Every +1 has a justification on the same
> level as the -1 have. Both sides have had pros and cons, but neither
> solution breaks anything for the project. We might be swapping one problem
> to another, but that is I guess how the world works.
>
> Toni
>
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2025 at 12:39 PM Paolo Bizzarri <pibi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Alex,
> >
> > thank you for the answer.
> >
> > this is surprising to me, since these are clearly code modifications and
> > they should fall under the rules for code modifications.
> >
> > https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> >
> > I will speak with the mentors.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > P.
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 11, 2025 at 11:15 AM Alex Porcelli <porce...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Paolo,
> > >
> > > Both proposals passed, as for proposals -1 see not veto.
> > >
> > > The first proposal is already under development.
> > >
> > > Please reach out to mentors to clarify about Apache policies.
> > >
> > > -
> > > Alex
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2025 at 4:33 AM Paolo Bizzarri <pibi...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am talking about
> > > >
> > > > - Including Docs, Examples, and Website(s) in Apache KIE 10.1 and
> > beyond
> > > >
> > > > and
> > > >
> > > > - Removing `build-chain`, the custom Jenkins framework, and
> structuring
> > > the
> > > > codebase in a duo-repo setup for 10.2 onwards
> > > >
> > > > My understanding is that both these two proposals have been rejected,
> > > since
> > > > they had got both binding -1 and these are the Apache rules.
> > > >
> > > > But there was no explicit mention that they got rejected and people
> > got a
> > > > bit uncertain.
> > > >
> > > > Can we confirm?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you.
> > > >
> > > > P.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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