PR checks are green on the main PR! I guess we just need a quick round
of reviews and we'll be good to go. If we detect problems we can
always send followup PRs. Thanks all!

On Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 4:16 PM Fabrizio Antonangeli
<fantonang...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Thank you Tiago.
> The new branch is:
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-tools/tree/patternfly-v5-upgrade
>
> Regards,
> Fabrizio
>
> On Mon, 2025-04-28 at 12:20 -0400, Tiago Bento wrote:
> > Fabrizio,
> >
> > Agree, good strategy. Thanks for the heads up!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tiago Bento
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 8:18 AM Fabrizio Antonangeli
> > <fantonang...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Tiago, as we are Aditya, Kennedy and me working on the same
> > > branch
> > > through PRs on Aditya's fork, I would propose to move our branch
> > > [1] to
> > > kie-tools with a new name (patternfly-v5-upgrade). The PROS of
> > > moving
> > > the branch to kie-tools repo are: * we don't consume Aditya's GH
> > > profile
> > > * faster CI run: when we create a PR against `patternfly-v5-
> > > upgrade`
> > > branch, the CI will test only the packages which has been modified
> > > and it's dependencies.
> > >
> > > Please let me know what you think. Regards, Fabrizio 1.
> > > https://github.com/kumaradityaraj/kie-tools/tree/allpackagesp4top5On
> > > Fri, 2025-04-18 at 17:21 +0200, Fabrizio Antonangeli wrote:
> > > > Status update: Thanks also to Kennedy's effort, we fixed dmn-
> > > > editor,
> > > > dmn-editor-standalone, scesim-editor and online-editor is WIP.
> > > > We have 17 e2e errors on the online-editor to fix but it seems is
> > > > the
> > > > last package to be fixed.
> > > > SonataFlow/SWF side is also already fixed.
> > > > Next week I will be on PTO but there will be Aditya and Kennedy
> > > > working
> > > > on this.
> > > > Have a good weekend!
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 2025-04-04 at 12:35 -0400, Tiago Bento wrote:
> > > > > Great suggestion Jan! Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > > FYI I added some labels to PRs today. Most notably I marked the
> > > > > `react-router` upgrade as order:2
> > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-tools/pull/3042, and
> > > > > the
> > > > > PatternFly 5 upgrade as order:1. Meaning the PatternFly 5
> > > > > upgrade
> > > > > should be merged before the `react-router` upgrade. I hope that
> > > > > eases
> > > > > things on your end Fabrizio. Since I'm working closely with
> > > > > Luiz on
> > > > > the `react-router` PR, we can revisit it and fix any conflicts
> > > > > that
> > > > > may occur after the PatternFly 5 PR is merged.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Tiago Bento
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 8:08 AM Fabrizio Antonangeli
> > > > > <fantonang...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's true, this is also something we can try and it's also
> > > > > > easier. :-
> > > > > > )
> > > > > > Even creating a separate kie-tools PR, so we don't leave
> > > > > > temporary
> > > > > > code
> > > > > > in the real PR.
> > > > > > Thanks a lot, Jan.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, 2025-04-04 at 13:12 +0200, Jan Šťastný wrote:
> > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > Regarding the PR check workflow - you could as part of your
> > > > > > > PR
> > > > > > > temporarily
> > > > > > > change/override the respective values and they should take
> > > > > > > effect
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > particular PR only, shouldn't they?
> > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > Jan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dne pá 4. 4. 2025 11:15 uživatel Fabrizio Antonangeli <
> > > > > > > fantonang...@apache.org> napsal:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thank you Tiago for you suggestions and the env vars.
> > > > > > > > Yesterday, I created the CI on a personal fork:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://github.com/fantonangeli/kie-tools-fantonangeli-ghas/actions/runs/14247565814
> > > > > > > > Unfortunately I had to stop the running when GH emailed
> > > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > consumed 100% of my personal Actions usage for the
> > > > > > > > current
> > > > > > > > month,
> > > > > > > > so I
> > > > > > > > don't have a result to show ATM.
> > > > > > > > I will check if I can run this in a different account.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, 2025-04-03 at 09:20 -0400, Tiago Bento wrote:
> > > > > > > > > No need to worry about freezing the `main` branch
> > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > release process, as releases are done from a "minor
> > > > > > > > > stream"
> > > > > > > > > branch,
> > > > > > > > > like `10.0.x`, or `10.1.x`.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > To not stop the build/test process when a test breaks,
> > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > > these env vars:
> > > > > > > > > - KIE_TOOLS_BUILD__ignoreTestFailures="true"
> > > > > > > > > - KIE_TOOLS_BUILD__ignoreEndToEndTestFailures="true"
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > These env vars are already configured like this for
> > > > > > > > > checking
> > > > > > > > > commits
> > > > > > > > > on `main`, but on PRs we left it configured as `false`
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > fail
> > > > > > > > > faster.
> > > > > > > > > I agree, however, that for an effort like this it would
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > interesting
> > > > > > > > > to have the PR checks behave in the same way as well.
> > > > > > > > > Doing
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > your personal fork is a great idea, though.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > As for your suggestions, unfortunately I think having
> > > > > > > > > everyone
> > > > > > > > > open
> > > > > > > > > "cherry-picks" to the PF5 upgrade branch would result
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > even
> > > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > chaos, since conflicts only happen after a PR is merged
> > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > `main`,
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > it wouldn't be clear who would be solving conflicts
> > > > > > > > > when
> > > > > > > > > multiple
> > > > > > > > > PRs
> > > > > > > > > were merged together. Splitting the work between
> > > > > > > > > "partitions"
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > bad idea, we just need to find an easy way to split the
> > > > > > > > > repository
> > > > > > > > > into disjoint sets so that we can move the upgrade
> > > > > > > > > independently
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > each one of them.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From my experience, the most efficient way is to have
> > > > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > > person
> > > > > > > > > driving the upgrade effort with regular broadcast
> > > > > > > > > updates
> > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > completion state, combined with requesting authors of
> > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > PRs
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > hold
> > > > > > > > > merging them until the upgrade is done, if possible,
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > frequent
> > > > > > > > > merges of course.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tiago Bento
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 5:24 PM Fabrizio Antonangeli
> > > > > > > > > <fantonang...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Tiago,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your advice! We've been continuously
> > > > > > > > > > merging
> > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > main
> > > > > > > > > > branch to keep the "delta" as small as possible.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Please see my answers below.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2025-04-02 at 13:51 -0400, Tiago Bento wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Fabrizio,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for raising awareness of the issue! This
> > > > > > > > > > > upgrade
> > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > indeed
> > > > > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > > important since PatternFly is already on version 6!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Having done some complicated upgrades myself in the
> > > > > > > > > > > past,
> > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > know
> > > > > > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > > > > frustrating it can be to keep the upgrade branch
> > > > > > > > > > > up-to-
> > > > > > > > > > > date
> > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > things being developed simultaneously. If it helps,
> > > > > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > > strategy
> > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > doing frequent merges to not let work accumulate.
> > > > > > > > > > > It's
> > > > > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > less
> > > > > > > > > > > fighting the clock, as the more time you take to
> > > > > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > stable,
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > less stable it gets due to other changes being
> > > > > > > > > > > merged
> > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > `main`
> > > > > > > > > > > branch. You'll know if you're winning the race if
> > > > > > > > > > > you're
> > > > > > > > > > > ever
> > > > > > > > > > > able to
> > > > > > > > > > > get a green build, even if for a couple of hours
> > > > > > > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > > > > getting
> > > > > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > > conflicting code merged on `main`.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > My suggestion for you is to do frequent merges and
> > > > > > > > > > > keep
> > > > > > > > > > > regularly
> > > > > > > > > > > updating everyone else to know where you're being
> > > > > > > > > > > most
> > > > > > > > > > > impacted
> > > > > > > > > > > (package names, for example), so that people
> > > > > > > > > > > contributing
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > package are aware that they can end up making this
> > > > > > > > > > > migration
> > > > > > > > > > > take
> > > > > > > > > > > longer, and if they can hold their PRs a little
> > > > > > > > > > > longer,
> > > > > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > help
> > > > > > > > > > > you indirectly. At the same, it helps everyone else
> > > > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > you're
> > > > > > > > > > > able to
> > > > > > > > > > > tell how close to completeness the PR is, so we can
> > > > > > > > > > > eventually do
> > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > 1-week stabilization period, for example, without
> > > > > > > > > > > merging
> > > > > > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > > > > else on `main` to make sure this upgrade is finally
> > > > > > > > > > > finished.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Aditya has already upgraded all components using PF4.
> > > > > > > > > > At
> > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > stage, we
> > > > > > > > > > are focused on syncing and fixing issues.
> > > > > > > > > > Many packages have already passed the tests, while
> > > > > > > > > > others
> > > > > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > > successfully tested in an earlier stage.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > For future upgrades like this, I believe it would be
> > > > > > > > > > useful
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > Build CI that can be triggered only manually on a
> > > > > > > > > > specific
> > > > > > > > > > branch
> > > > > > > > > > without stopping execution if a package fails. This
> > > > > > > > > > way,
> > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > test results for all packages.
> > > > > > > > > > As an alternative, I can also set up a CI job in a
> > > > > > > > > > personal
> > > > > > > > > > repository
> > > > > > > > > > to gather the test results and share them with you.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Right now, if you're confident that the PR is very
> > > > > > > > > > > close
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > > > ready and you were already able to get a green
> > > > > > > > > > > build
> > > > > > > > > > > (meaning
> > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > a short period of time you had "everything
> > > > > > > > > > > working"),
> > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > issue a
> > > > > > > > > > > freeze proposal here in the mailing list and have
> > > > > > > > > > > everyone
> > > > > > > > > > > contributing to `kie-tools` to hold their PRs until
> > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > upgrade
> > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > reviewed and merged. WDYT?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I would avoid to freeze `main` branch (and maybe
> > > > > > > > > > impact a
> > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > process) and then have a blocker like for the
> > > > > > > > > > Serverless
> > > > > > > > > > Workflow
> > > > > > > > > > Chrome Extension, which is something that can happens
> > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > activities.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I would prefer to avoid freezing the `main` branch
> > > > > > > > > > (which
> > > > > > > > > > might
> > > > > > > > > > impact
> > > > > > > > > > the release process) and then potentially
> > > > > > > > > > encountering
> > > > > > > > > > blockers,
> > > > > > > > > > such
> > > > > > > > > > as the issue with the Serverless Workflow Chrome
> > > > > > > > > > Extension,
> > > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > happens in these types of upgrades.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Please, let me know what you think!
> > > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Tiago Bento
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 12:03 PM Fabrizio
> > > > > > > > > > > Antonangeli
> > > > > > > > > > > <fantonang...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree freezing PF4 work is not really
> > > > > > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > > option.
> > > > > > > > > > > > But it also quite difficult to forecast the
> > > > > > > > > > > > closing
> > > > > > > > > > > > time
> > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > PR as
> > > > > > > > > > > > many "variables" are involved and there can be
> > > > > > > > > > > > blockers
> > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > related
> > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > our changes.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > For instance the ubuntu-1 GHA is currently
> > > > > > > > > > > > failing
> > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > GH
> > > > > > > > > > > > web
> > > > > > > > > > > > UI
> > > > > > > > > > > > changed something and the Serverless Workflow
> > > > > > > > > > > > Chrome
> > > > > > > > > > > > Extension
> > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > passing the tests in this PR but also in this
> > > > > > > > > > > > one,
> > > > > > > > > > > > which is
> > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > related
> > > > > > > > > > > > to our work:
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-tools/pull/3041
> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm working on this fix.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > In addition to this, I think establishing a good
> > > > > > > > > > > > way
> > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > handle
> > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > core activities will help us on the next ones as
> > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > update React, Patternfly v6.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2025-04-02 at 13:42 +0000, Jozef Marko
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Fabrizio, as this is very crucial PR, I can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > imagine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > also
> > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 'block' PRs that contain patternfly changes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > until
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > PF4
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ->
> > > > > > > > > > > > > PF5
> > > > > > > > > > > > > PR is merged. I can imagine this only if we are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > confident
> > > > > > > > > > > > > enough
> > > > > > > > > > > > > PF4
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -> PF5 PR will be merged in a week? or two
> > > > > > > > > > > > > weeks?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > should be such 'blocking window' size.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally,  I can not imagine we do similar
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 'blocking
> > > > > > > > > > > > > window'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > longer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > than two weeks. Ideal 'blocking window' size
> > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > exist
> > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sure.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > We would probably agree - the shorter the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > better.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jozef Marko
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Software Developer
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > jozef.ma...@ibm.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Fabrizio Antonangeli
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <fantonang...@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2025 4:00 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > To: dev@kie.apache.org <dev@kie.apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] [PROPOSAL] Coordinating
> > > > > > > > > > > > > PatternFly 5
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Upgrade
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Effort
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello all,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Aditya and I are very close to finishing a PR
> > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > updating
> > > > > > > > > > > > > PatternFly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to v5 [1]. The main problem we have is that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > while
> > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > update,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > fix
> > > > > > > > > > > > > issues, and run the CI, the work on the main
> > > > > > > > > > > > > branch
> > > > > > > > > > > > > using
> > > > > > > > > > > > > PF4
> > > > > > > > > > > > > continues. This means we have to continuously
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sync
> > > > > > > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > > > > > PR,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > update
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > new code to PF5, re-test, and check the CI.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The CI also takes time to run, as all frontend
> > > > > > > > > > > > > packages
> > > > > > > > > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > > > > > > PatternFly,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and the CI tests all of them. Once everything
> > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > green,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > reviewers
> > > > > > > > > > > > > may
> > > > > > > > > > > > > also need time to go through the PR (which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > includes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 530
> > > > > > > > > > > > > files),
> > > > > > > > > > > > > while
> > > > > > > > > > > > > in the meantime, PF4 development on `main`
> > > > > > > > > > > > > continues.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Since I don't think we can freeze PF4 work
> > > > > > > > > > > > > until
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > PF5
> > > > > > > > > > > > > update
> > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > completed, my suggestion is to establish a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > temporary
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "rule":
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >     Anyone developing PF4 code on main should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > also
> > > > > > > > > > > > > open a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > PR
> > > > > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Aditya's `allpackagesp4top5` branch with the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > corresponding
> > > > > > > > > > > > > PF5
> > > > > > > > > > > > > update.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >     This would be required only until the PR is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > reviewed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > merged.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Alternatively, can we "split" our work into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > SWF-
> > > > > > > > > > > > > related
> > > > > > > > > > > > > updates
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Online Editor-related work?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > As always, I'm open to other ideas.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
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