Sorry for missing the link.
Here is the related jira ticket
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KYLIN-533

On Fri Jan 16 2015 at 7:52:29 PM Luke Han <[email protected]> wrote:

> Qianhao, could you please paste JIRA link here also?
>
> Thanks.
>
> 2015-01-16 11:12 GMT+08:00 Zhou, Qianhao <[email protected]>:
>
> > Hi, all
> >    I have created a JIRA ticket for this task.
> >    And I am working on it right now.
> >
> > Best Regard
> > Zhou QianHao
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/16/15, 11:00 AM, "Li Yang" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >> Still worth considering an existing tool. The simplest code is the
> code
> > >you don’t maintain. :)
> > >
> > >Exactly, we try to maintain as little code as possible for the job
> manager
> > >(engine is an old bad name as we rely on external jobs to do the heavy
> > >lifting). The previous version depends on quartz and it took so much
> code
> > >to fit what we need in the quartz bottle. Quartz in our case is like a
> > >gorilla
> > >holding a banana. All we need is the banana but we had bring the gorilla
> > >home. What's why the refactoring comes, and on top of JDK
> ExecutorService,
> > >we expect only a few hundred line of code for the new implementation.
> > >
> > >On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:47 PM, Luke Han <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> maybe rename this module to "builder" will more make sense:-)
> > >>
> > >> 2015-01-15 8:09 GMT+08:00 Henry Saputra <[email protected]>:
> > >>
> > >> > I believe the job engine here is a cube builder which is the
> component
> > >> > that manages submissions to different distributed platform (MR,
> Flink,
> > >> > Spark) that actually execute the jobs in different machine.
> > >> > It primary function is to manage the "job" submission and act as
> > >> > reverse proxy for status, scheduling, and metadata access for the
> > >> > operations.
> > >> >
> > >> > I had worked similar like this in my pref role =)
> > >> >
> > >> > - Henry
> > >> >
> > >> > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Julian Hyde <[email protected]
> >
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > > Still worth considering an existing tool. The simplest code is the
> > >>code
> > >> > you don’t maintain. :)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Jan 14, 2015, at 2:57 AM, Li Yang <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> Sorry I'm late, just a recap.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> The "Job Engine" here only manages long running tasks lifecycle
> and
> > >> > >> dependencies, it oversees task sequences, like cube build is made
> > >>up
> > >> of
> > >> > >> several mapreduces, and allow user to start/stop/pause/resume.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> It does not do scheduling or fancy workflow, that's why many
> > >>existing
> > >> > >> products like quartz or oozie overkill. We want keep Kylin
> overall
> > >> > >> architecture simple and be easy to deploy and debug.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> The purpose of this refactoring is to separate the manager role
> and
> > >> the
> > >> > >> worker role which previous impl mixed up. Once done, replacing a
> > >> worker
> > >> > >> shall become easy. We will be free to explore other cube building
> > >> > workers,
> > >> > >> like Flink and Spark mentioned.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Cheers
> > >> > >> Yang
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Zhou, Qianhao <
> [email protected]
> > >
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>> Thanks Ted for the advice.
> > >> > >>> I think the right way to do is to take more options into
> > >> consideration,
> > >> > >>> then make decision.
> > >> > >>> Whichever solution is used, we are going to learn something that
> > >>will
> > >> > >>> benefit sooner or later.
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> Best Regard
> > >> > >>> Zhou QianHao
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> On 1/14/15, 12:37 AM, "Ted Dunning" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>> OK.
> > >> > >>>>
> > >> > >>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:30 AM, 周千昊 <[email protected]>
> > >>wrote:
> > >> > >>>>
> > >> > >>>>> As I mentioned, we don't want extra dependency because that
> will
> > >> make
> > >> > >>>>> the
> > >> > >>>>> deployment more complex.
> > >> > >>>>> As for Aurora, the users will have an extra step for
> > >>installation.
> > >> > >>>>> However
> > >> > >>>>> so far, kylin will only need a war package and a hadoop
> cluster.
> > >> > >>>>> On Tue Jan 13 2015 at 10:26:50 PM Ted Dunning <
> > >> [email protected]
> > >> > >
> > >> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>> I understand you want to write your own job engine.  But why
> > >>not
> > >> use
> > >> > >>>>> one
> > >> > >>>>>> that already exists?
> > >> > >>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>> Given that you mention quartz, it sounds like Aurora might
> be a
> > >> good
> > >> > >>>>> fit.
> > >> > >>>>>> Why not use it?
> > >> > >>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 3:34 AM, Zhou, Qianhao
> > >><[email protected]
> > >> >
> > >> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >> > >>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>> What we want is that:
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>> 1. A lightweight job engine, easy to start, stop and check
> > >>jobs
> > >> > >>>>>>>   Because most of the heavyweight job is map-reduce which is
> > >> > >>>>> already
> > >> > >>>>>>>   running on the cluster, so we don’t need the job engine to
> > >>run
> > >> > >>>>> on a
> > >> > >>>>>>> cluster.
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>> 2. Kylin already has a job engine based on Quartz, however,
> > >>only
> > >> a
> > >> > >>>>> very
> > >> > >>>>>>> small
> > >> > >>>>>>>   part of functionalities are used, so we can easily replace
> > >>it
> > >> > >>>>> with
> > >> > >>>>>>>   standard java api.
> > >> > >>>>>>>   Thus there will be no extra dependency which means easier
> to
> > >> > >>>>> deploy.
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>> Currently a very simple job engine implementation will meet
> > >>the
> > >> > >>>>> kylin’s
> > >> > >>>>>>> needs.
> > >> > >>>>>>> So I think at this timing just keep it simple would be the
> > >>better
> > >> > >>>>> choice.
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>> Best Regard
> > >> > >>>>>>> Zhou QianHao
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>> On 1/13/15, 4:43 PM, "Ted Dunning" <[email protected]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>> So why are the following systems unsuitable?
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>> - mesos + (aurora or chronos)
> > >> > >>>>>>>> - spark
> > >> > >>>>>>>> - yarn
> > >> > >>>>>>>> - drill's drillbits
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>> These options do different things.  I know that.  I am not
> > >> > entirely
> > >> > >>>>>> clear
> > >> > >>>>>>>> on what you want, however, so I present these different
> > >>options
> > >> so
> > >> > >>>>> that
> > >> > >>>>>>>> you
> > >> > >>>>>>>> can tell me better what you want.
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>> Mesos provides very flexible job scheduling.  With Aurora,
> it
> > >> has
> > >> > >>>>>> support
> > >> > >>>>>>>> for handling long-running and periodic jobs.  With Chronos,
> > >>it
> > >> has
> > >> > >>>>> the
> > >> > >>>>>>>> equivalent of a cluster level cron.
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>> Spark provides the ability for a program to spawn lots of
> > >> parallel
> > >> > >>>>>>>> execution.  This is different than what most people mean by
> > >>job
> > >> > >>>>>>>> scheduling,
> > >> > >>>>>>>> but in conjunction with a queuing system combined with
> spark
> > >> > >>>>> streaming,
> > >> > >>>>>>>> you
> > >> > >>>>>>>> can get remarkably close to a job scheduler.
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>> Yarn can run jobs, but has no capabilities to schedule
> > >>recurring
> > >> > >>>>> jobs.
> > >> > >>>>>> It
> > >> > >>>>>>>> can adjudicate the allocation of cluster resources.  This
> is
> > >> > >>>>> different
> > >> > >>>>>>>> from
> > >> > >>>>>>>> what either spark or mesos does.
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>> Drill's drillbits do scheduling of queries across a
> parallel
> > >> > >>>>> execution
> > >> > >>>>>>>> environment.  It currently has no user impersonation, but
> > >>does
> > >> do
> > >> > >>>>> an
> > >> > >>>>>>>> interesting job of scheduling parts of parallel queries.
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>> Each of these could be considered like a job scheduler.
> > >>Only a
> > >> > >>>>> very
> > >> > >>>>> few
> > >> > >>>>>>>> are likely to be what you are talking about.
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>> Which is it?
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> >
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