Hi Rimas,

First, thank you very much for your feedback :)
Rimas Kudelis wrote:
> Hi Sophie,
> 
> 2008.11.12 17:48, sophie rašė:
>> We would like to have more OpenOffice.org localized build on the
>> localized part of the mirrors and less in the RC stage.
>> Why? I (for myself) find sad that after so much work by localizing a
>> version, this version is invisible on our distribution process.
>> We, as a project, are very proud of the work done in this area and we
>> want to shout it all over the world :)
>> So I would like very much to help the Quality Assurance process for the
>> localized build. I know that Mechtilde and Andre are willing to help
>> too. But we can't help if we don't know what you need.
>> - for those who has already tried the process what are the difficulties
>> that you have met?
>>   
> 
> As a person who has just recently started to work with QA, I can tell
> one thing for sure, and that is – TCM interface is way too complicated.
> For example, links in the tables are never explained (it's funny the
> they lack so little – just a tooltip explaining what they actually link
> to).

So we should ask the maintainers to add those tooltips :) and review the
help page on the wiki to add explanations.
> 
> Also, as far as I understood, I can assign the same test for the same
> tester to perform multiple times – it only depends on the assignment ID.
> I find this ineffective. I mean if we assume that the testers do their
> job well, then what's the point for them to waste their time on
> rerunning same tests? 

They won't run the tests on the same versions. What I find not good is
that we can't compare the tests between a RC cycle, if you have done
tests on RC1, you have to delete the results for the next RC2.

And here's a real world situation: I didn't notice
> the Release Sanity scenario existed, so I assigned each one of my
> testers 45 tests (Product(OpenOffice.org - Office Suites(3.0))) instead
> of 28 (Scenario(Release sanity scenario)).

We pass those tests only on the l10n versions that are provided at
development stage, for RC we only run a set of minimal tests.

 Now that I realized my
> mistake, I've deleted the assignments for those testers who haven't done
> anything, but what should I do with those who have started testing? It
> doesn't seem like I can do anything about that without losing the results...

Yes, you are right.
> 
> 
> Another thing is that probably many people just like me didn't even know
> why their languages are in RC and not official. I think that perhaps the
> OOo download pages should actually list all those RC builds with a note
> that they are untested, and that testers are welcome?

I fear that if we make them more accessible, users will download them
without noticing that they are untested. This is why we need to
communicate with each other about those tests and make more versions
available in final not in RC.

Again, thanks a lot for your feedback.

Kind regards
Sophie


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