Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
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<quote>
Apache Lenya is an Open Source Java/XML Content Management System
</quote>
should be changed to "Content Management Framework".
<rant>
noooooo. don't go down this path. it's a terrible disease among apache
projects. frameworks upon frameworks upon frameworks. i was so glad to
see somebody finally speak up and announce a *actually usable product*
under the hood of apache, don't tell me it was all a mirage.
I spend a lot of time implementing workarounds, patching the Lenya core,
growing grey hair about configuration options, because Lenya (1.2) is not
designed as a framework and lacks modularization.
I implement systems using Lenya because it provides the flexibility that I
need, because I'm not limited to the configuration of existing components.
I can just build what I want.
There are hundreds of CMSs in the world with a fixed feature list, what I
want is a solid content storage layer and a toolbox to build a LISTSERV
newsletter interface, a front-end to application XYZ which allows importing
legacy DB content in the CMS environment in transactions, and things like
that.
there is so much fscking "potential" on *.apache.org. can somebody
please reap it up and actually do something with that, instead of just
piling layer upon layer of abstract bloat and arcane dependencies?
Sure, you might be interested in the doco project which will possibly
produce a decent CMS using Lenya.
that's why i hate java. clean little language, and then people start
piling apis on it like there's no tomorrow. gimme back those days
where i could just printf something and it would do that without
passing a string through 25 million stack layers. just look at the
stack traces that lenya coughs up and you know something is going
terribly wrong here.
IMO the key is not to avoid complexity, but to manage complexity, for
instance by modularization. You can't build an enterprise level CMS
with some lines of code on your own (or at least I can't). But you can,
if you have the right tools for the job (like Cocoon, Jackrabbit, BXE, ...).
-- Andreas
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