Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
Michael Wechner wrote:
Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
Michael Wechner wrote:
Josias Thoeny wrote:
But personally I don't think it adds much value to have multi-lingual
urls.
Or do you think it does?
yes, I think so. Just think of Switzerland as a country with four
languages and that
people in the french speaking part complain that the german
speaking part wants to rule ....
well, from a political pov that makes sense. but from an engineering
pov,
I don't think the engineering pov should rule. I believe this
community agreed to build this stuff for end-users and not for
engineers.
well, in this case i disagree. i18n is great, but near the core, away
from the user, i18n gets messy and loses its importance.
do you mean the technology used or internationalization itself?
messy data structuring hurts the user in the long way (see the
examples i gave in my previous post).
URIs need to be systematic, and i would even prefer to have only *one*
canonical URI for whatever by default, multiple UR*L*s are always
compatibility hacks after the fact (and that's ok). but URIs should
*not* be localized by default.
why not?
they are the "book signatures" of the internet. when i go to a
library, the shelves are numbered the same, regardless of the language
the book is in. there is *one* dewey decimal system for catalogues in
all countries. it's abstract, and thus universal.
so, you mean everyone should use
urn:uuid:4243243243223423423423
instead
people/joern-nettingsmeier
?
granted, URIs are nowhere near as good and systematic, and the fact
that they contain letters and words can distract from the fact that
they are in reality very abstract identifiers.
IMHO, URIs are becoming ever less important to the end-user, since
nobody ever types them anymore. so they move from "user-visible" to
"internal" and can be kept generic without loss of usability.
well, newspapers are starting to use them quite often to link
their print articles with further info.
Sure if we would have electronic paper ready, then it
would be different ...
OTOH, having a multi-dimensional uri space makes link management
harder by several orders of magnitude, and it's already non-trivial. i
think the added complexity will hurt users more than abstract,
non-localized urls. (besides, most of the huge international
corporations do not do it either, and nobody seems to care.)
well, I know a lot of people/companies who care ...
and as said before I would argue, that if people would have
the tools to actually manage such URL spaces, then they would
go full steam ahead (just as my comparison with the existence of
mobile phones and its consequences)
besides, url cleanliness has never been one of lenya's strong points
(it has favoured ease of implementation instead, to the point where
system internals that do not concern visitors at all are exposed via
the URLs).
that's why we want to improve it (for better as I believe)
Michi
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Michael Wechner
Wyona - Open Source Content Management - Apache Lenya
http://www.wyona.com http://lenya.apache.org
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