El lun, 10-07-2006 a las 23:41 +0200, Michael Wechner escribió: > Thorsten Scherler wrote: > > >Discussion seems to have settled down on this topic, > >so it must be time for a Vote. > > > >This concerns everyone on the dev mailing list, > >so please all vote, not just PMC committers. > > > >Review the current draft at > >http://lenya.zones.apache.org/docu/guidelines.html for the latest version. > > > >Apart from possible minor tweaks, are you happy with the > >current content? > > > > > > As a preamble I would like to note, that I am currently on paternity > leave and will not be able to be very responsive until next week, but > nevertheless I will try to give some feedback: >
I wish you have done this in the feedback time prior to this vote (like everyone else). Doing it in the vote is very deconstructive and it seems that you have not read the proposal when we ask for it. > - I think the mission of Apache Lenya needs be more detailed, e.g. > framework with out of the box samples, scalable, performant, backwards > compatible, ... I think we really need to define our goals resp. link > to a document which is defining the goals explicitely, otherwise I am > afraid this whole thing is pointless. If you feel that we should redefine the mission statement (like you hinted in many threads) then please raise it in a separate thread, maybe present a proposal and we can discuss on it. > > - Re emeritus: What means "not contributing in any form"? no mail, no commit to the code base, no nothing. > > - Re the PMC chair: What means "the chair has the power to establish rules > and procedures"? Isn't that the role of the PMC itself?! And what means > "including of the PMC itself"? Hmm? The chair is the ASF officer in charge (like a chairman of a board of a company). She has the last word and can overrule the pmc. Please see http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#pmc for more detailed explanation. > > - I think the Quartely reports need to be approved by the PMC before sending > to the board Yes I think this is a good idea, but why didn't you raised before. Now it will have to wait till after the vote. > > - Electing PMC members: I think the general rule should be that > committers are not PMC members from the very beginning when they become > committers. You can raise this later. > > - Voting: Conensus means to me that everyone agrees or do I > misunderstand consesus? No, if you really mean *everyone* (like in all active committer have to vote), that is "Unanimous consensus". > - Voting: Why the term lazy majority and not just majority? This points out that not all pmc member have to vote. > > - Veto: why does the pmc chair has the power to decide if a veto is > valid or not it comes with the role. see above link: "...has the power to establish rules and procedures for the day to day management of the communities for which the PMC is responsible..." > > - voting procedure: i guess not all votes will be done on the dev list?! ¿? http://lenya.zones.apache.org/docu/guidelines.html "...Where necessary, PMC voting may take place on the private PMC mailing list..." > > - code management: why are old branches unmaintained?! Why maintain them when they are old? > > as a result of my questions and remarks I am -1 re the content of > these guidelines > You had the change to comment on this guidelines a long time. You decided to wait till it came to the vote. Why? > Without being negative, but generally speaking I think people haven't really > read this document closely and hence just say +1. I hope I am wrong. > Interesting now all +1's are uninformed and have not read the guidelines. > Nevertheless I still believe that we should start with a white sheet of > paper > and vote on every "paragraph" and also attach a reasoning for each > paragraph. See the thread from Michael Ralston regarding this point. salu2 -- thorsten "Together we stand, divided we fall!" Hey you (Pink Floyd) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
