>- see footer for list info -< It doesn't help when Macromedia couldn't give a flying crap about the community either.
I asked Lucus to see if he could get me an upgrade to CFMX7 for CFDeveloper, not only did they say no, but he actually couldn't be bothered to even email me and tell me that or explain why, I only found out cozz I bumped into him at CFUG and asked him. A bit of courtesy doesn't take much effort. As I told MM, CFDeveloper is responsible for a lot of companies and developers actually choosing to go with ColdFusion, if they were not able to come and try it out on CFDeveloper they would have used ASP or PHP instead, and I have received many emails actually telling me this and thanking me for this service. So in retrospect, MM don't even give a hoot aboout their paying customers or potential customers either. And b4 you say, oh it's all about you, they also wouldn't support the CFEupope event that Niklas was trying to sort out, so that flopped as well. Unlike the days of Allaire, if you want to run a community that is anything to do with Coldfusion or any other Macromedia product,it seems you have to do it with no help or support from them and out of your own pocket. Which doesn't really give you a lot of faith in the product. Even microsoft isn't that tight. Microsoft will give out free software to anyone running a microsoft related community. And I know this cozz I was once gonna start up a more generic developer community rather than a coldfusion specific one, and mentioned this to some MS guy that I met at a party, next thing I knew they sent one whopping great package of software to me:- windows 2000 server, visual studio, Internet Application server, tons of stuff. I think the Americans are generally bigger on the whole community thing than us brits. Come on brits are not exactly known for being friendly, if you go into a pub by yourself you will stay that way all night. In the U.S. anyone will come and speak to you. Or perhaps MM do support U.S communities and just hate brits. But I would say, if you are going to start a community, realise how much work it is, I can tell you that running CFDeveloper does take up a fair bit of my time. If you don't have a decent site, no one with bother using it. And to be honest there is no excuse. There are so many FREE web site builders, templates, portal systems etc out there that you would really have to be a total numpty if you can't throw together a half decent looking web site with all that. CFDeveloper may be mostly an ASP web site, but so what? It's a community web site, who cares what it's written in as long as it does it's job. And yes I have had a bit of stick about that. But then that's like saying, if you build a gay web site, you must be gay, or if you eat vegetables you must be a vegetarian. Opps I have just ranted again haven't I.... I'll go away now. Russ > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Adams > Sent: 24 March 2005 13:03 > To: 'Coldfusion Development' > Subject: RE: [work] Re: [CF-Dev] OT: dreamweaver > > >- see footer for list info -< > Good point Alex, > > I'm sure this is one of the reasons the CF community in the > UK is so small, its very negative, not much support for other > CF developers and what they are doing. > > If you think about it how many UK based CF developers are > there that have the same recognition as CF developers in the > US, people like Sean Corfield, Rob Rohan and Joe Rinehart. > > If you look on http://www.fullasagoog.com/ there's loads of > US based CF developers all doing a lot for the CF community. > In the UK its far less (John Beynon). So instead of moaning > about someone else's site, maybe we should encourage more CF sites. > > Stephen > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Skinner > Sent: 24 March 2005 12:44 > To: 'Coldfusion Development' > Subject: RE: [work] Re: [CF-Dev] OT: dreamweaver > > >- see footer for list info -< > I think slating this site is rather pathetic. > > At least he's trying to give something back. If you don't > like it then don't visit it ? > > Or alternatively put something up better that you've spent > time doing and wait till someone comes along and rips it > apart. This is why most people lose interest in putting these > kind of resources out there. I know Russ has taken his fair > share of pointless stick. > > Do some work :-) > > Alex > > > _______________________________________________ > > For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving > lists, go to http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo > > -- > CFDeveloper Sponsors:- > >- Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< > >- Forum provided by www.fusetalk.com -< > >- DHTML Menus provided by www.APYCOM.com -< > >- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< > >- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to > volunteer your help > >-< > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit > http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving > lists, go to http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo > > -- > CFDeveloper Sponsors:- > >- Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< > >- Forum provided by www.fusetalk.com -< > >- DHTML Menus provided by www.APYCOM.com -< > >- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< > >- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to > volunteer your help > >-< > _______________________________________________ For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving lists, go to http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo -- CFDeveloper Sponsors:- >- Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< >- Forum provided by www.fusetalk.com -< >- DHTML Menus provided by www.APYCOM.com -< >- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< >- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer your help -<
