>- see footer for list info -< email addresses are two a penny, so if this was the only way, I'd give up and just let it happen
cookie tracing seems the only half workable option > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Snake > Sent: 17 June 2005 14:53 > To: 'Coldfusion Development' > Subject: RE: [Maybe Spam] RE: [CF-Dev] CFID > > > >- see footer for list info -< > The only thing you can realistically do is check the email address, so one > acocunt per email address. If people signup witgh multiple > emails, you have > to live with it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Duddell > Sent: 17 June 2005 14:20 > To: 'Coldfusion Development' > Subject: RE: [Maybe Spam] RE: [CF-Dev] CFID > > >- see footer for list info -< > I know ... it's not great, and it could stop lots of people joining in the > first place ! But, it's a way of making sure (short of buying a > new network > card) that people don't sign up twice. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 17 June 2005 13:30 > To: 'Coldfusion Development' > Subject: RE: [Maybe Spam] RE: [CF-Dev] CFID > > >- see footer for list info -< > But then what if it's in an internet café ? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Duddell > Sent: 17 June 2005 10:09 > To: 'Coldfusion Development' > Subject: RE: [Maybe Spam] RE: [CF-Dev] CFID > > >- see footer for list info -< > You MAY be able to get a MAC address by using ActiveX or Perl. Have a look > at ... > > http://www.experts-exchange.com/Programming/Programming_Languages/ > Perl/Q_208 > 50500.html > > ... toward the bottom someone has posted a Perl solution (haven't used it > myself, so don't know if it actually works). > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jenny Gavin-Wear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 16 June 2005 17:45 > To: Coldfusion Development > Subject: RE: [Maybe Spam] RE: [CF-Dev] CFID > > >- see footer for list info -< > > That would be a perfect solution .. but my java skills are zilch > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sam Westlake > > Sent: 15 June 2005 13:48 > > To: 'Coldfusion Development' > > Subject: RE: [Maybe Spam] RE: [CF-Dev] CFID > > > > > > >- see footer for list info -< > > Could you use a Java Applet to retrieve the MAC address of the client? > > > > This would be better than storing an IP address as it should never > > change where an IP address might; although it might be trickier to > > access the MAC address. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Snake > > Sent: 15 June 2005 13:29 > > To: 'Coldfusion Development' > > Subject: RE: [Maybe Spam] RE: [CF-Dev] CFID > > > > >- see footer for list info -< > > Which is probably what they are doing. > > Most people's IP wont change that often though, so you could also > > check that. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duncan > > Cumming > > Sent: 15 June 2005 13:20 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [Maybe Spam] RE: [CF-Dev] CFID > > > > >- see footer for list info -< > > then a cookie won't be a huge help. all i'd need to do would be to > > delete the cookie to register again. if people want to register > > multiple times, there's not much you can do that will really stop them. > > > > > > Duncan Cumming > > New Media Developer > > Customer Relations Management / Education Fife Council 700 4105 / > > 01592 > > 414105 > > > > >>> "Jenny Gavin-Wear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 15/06/2005 13:10 >>> > > >- see footer for list info -< > > > > Hi Duncan, > > > > I'm prepared to risk people starting new accounts from other pc's, not > > much I can do about that. We currently check for > > email/cfid:cftoken/login in case they already exist. > > > > Not wanting people creating more than one profile might seem a trivial > > thing, but it's one of the features that set us apart from our > > competition. > > > > It's especially important when we bar idiots as we don't want them > > coming back under some other identity. When we bar we aim to > bar for good! > > > > Jenny > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Duncan > > > Cumming > > > Sent: 15 June 2005 12:37 > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: RE: [CF-Dev] CFID > > > > > > > > > >- see footer for list info -< > > > Jenny, you don't want people making multiple accounts from the same > > > machine, but this isn't going to stop people using different > > > machines to sign up more than once. Could you use email address as > > > a unique identifier to prevent multiple signups? Or are people > > > using different email addresses to get around this already? > > > > > > > > > Duncan Cumming > > > New Media Developer > > > Customer Relations Management / Education Fife Council 700 4105 / > > > 01592 414105 > > > > > > >>> "Jenny Gavin-Wear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 15/06/2005 00:37 > > > >>> >>> > > > >- see footer for list info -< > > > > > > Thanks Snake, good stuff, but "However, the jsessionid is always > > > created as a non-persistent cookie." So it's not going to stop > > > someone coming back and creating a second registration. > > > > > > Currently, to keep a user barred I'm using the CFID/CFtoken > > pair, but this > > > doesn't seem to be viable. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: 14 June 2005 17:48 > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Coldfusion Development' > > > > Subject: RE: [CF-Dev] CFID > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_18232 > > > > > > > Russ > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenny > > > Gavin-Wear > > > > Sent: 14 June 2005 16:41 > > > > To: Coldfusion Development > > > > Subject: RE: [CF-Dev] CFID > > > > > > > > >- see footer for list info -< > > > > Hmm.. interesting .. jsessionid ? > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Snake > > > > > Sent: 14 June 2005 12:41 > > > > > To: 'Coldfusion Development' > > > > > Subject: RE: [CF-Dev] CFID > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- see footer for list info -< > > > > > I think we must have replied to one another directly at > > some point and > > > > > not noticed, so all our replies to each others posts from that > > > > > point have not been going to the list but to each other LOL. > > > > > > > > > > What you can also do is stick a cookie on each users machine so > > > > > you know they have already registered, and thus stop them > > > registering again. > > > > > Their sessions may not be getting stored due to a number of > > > > > reasons such as NAT, proxy servers, antispyware, cookeis being > disabled etc. > > > > > > > > > > You could always try using JSessionID's instead of CFID's > > > > > > > > > > Russ > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Jenny Gavin-Wear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: 14 June 2005 08:40 > > > > > To: Snake > > > > > Cc: Coldfusion Development > > > > > Subject: RE: [CF-Dev] CFID > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Still looking at this. I've always had UUID switched on, > > and I had it > > > > > set to purge every 90 days - have just upped this to 180. > > > > > > > > > > I'm getting a lot of repeated CFID:CFTOKEN against new > > > > > registrations sooo, just how unique is it? > > > > > > > > > > Was talking to Ade about this over the weekend. I agree Ade, > > > > > it's a hassle, but we really don't want people to be able to > > > > > create two profiles from the same pc. > > > > > > > > > > (Snake, when I hit reply to you from the list it sticks in your > > > > > private email address, with anyone else it puts in the list > > name ...) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2005 09:51 > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Subject: RE: [CF-Dev] CFID > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both CFID and CFTOKEN are used to ensure uniqueness and > > are created > > > > > > at the same time. In the CFADMIN you can specify to use a UUID > > > > > > for CFID, whichthen guarantees it will be unique, so you > > could try this, > > > > > > thus doing away with the need to use CFTOKEN. > > > > > > > > > > > > Russ > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Jenny Gavin-Wear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2005 06:54 > > > > > > To: Snake > > > > > > Subject: RE: [CF-Dev] CFID > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed. > > > > > > > > > > > > But I still don't understand how a user has been able to > > > > > > create a new account when one with the same cfid/token still > exists. > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps the cftoken is set later in the session when the user > > > > > > is registering. So I was wondering if I drop using the > > > > > > CFTOKEN and just use CFID it would solve the problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2005 00:12 > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [CF-Dev] CFID > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps your using client variables. Client variables last a > > > > > > > lot longer, thus your session is not going to expire unless > > you do not > > > > > > > login for say 30 days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Jenny Gavin-Wear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Sent: 10 June 2005 22:31 > > > > > > > To: Snake > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [CF-Dev] CFID > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's not my experience at all. I have had the same CFID > > > > > > > and > > > > > > Token as a > > > > > > > user on my site since day 1, so has every other user. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you mean when they aren't stored? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Sent: 10 June 2005 18:56 > > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Coldfusion Development' > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [CF-Dev] CFID > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The CFID and CFTOKEN will only last as long as the > > session. Once > > > > > > > > the session has expired they get a new cfid and cftoken. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > Jenny > > > > > > > Gavin-Wear > > > > > > > > Sent: 10 June 2005 18:21 > > > > > > > > To: Coldfusion Development > > > > > > > > Subject: [CF-Dev] CFID > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- see footer for list info -< > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm using CFID with CFTOKEN to stop dupe profiles on our > > > > > dating site. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Theory is, when a new user goes to register a check is > > > > > > > > made against existing profiles to see if the CFID/Token > > > already exists. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seems that one or two are getting past this check, any > > > ideas how? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do I need to check on the token as well as the cfid, or is > > > > > > 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