Stephen, All due respect to you as well, but as an instructor, I've seen SO MANY students who had used fusebox for months, who didn't understand the first thing about how to properly build an application from scratch - not the first thing. All they understood were fuseactions and some of the basics of CFML. The framework does not encourage developers to learn, nor does it reinforce, development best practices. I've also been called on-site as a consultant to troubleshoot and "fix" performance issues on many sites that were built with fusebox. I'm not implying that fusebox was the reason there were problems with the site, but I can tell you that when I looked at the code for the site and the way fusebox was handling some things under the hood, I could have achieved the same functionality in a much more optimal manner. That's the point of fusebox: not just to reinforce consistency and speed development by re-using pre-written code, but also to make it easier to achieve results. Some of the things that the framework does to achieve this simplicity and consistency, are not really recommended practices. This has been my personal experience with fusebox.
~Simon Simon Horwith CTO, Etrilogy Ltd. Member of Team Macromedia Macromedia Certified Instructor Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Certified Flash MX Developer CFDJList - List Administrator http://www.how2cf.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Moretti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 August 2003 17:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ cf-dev ] Fusebox Goodies Simon > I'm not a fusebox fan - never have been. This is primarilly because I've > found that it ties your hands as well as discouraging you from learning the > language properly. Most applications can be built better if you know how to > build an app. from scratch. > With great respect.... Thats a load of bollox. I'm no fan of FB3 and have yet to look at Mach12 or whatever FB4 is being called. (I dislike the over use of files to determine OS etc.etc.etc. and the overly complex switching that creates spaghetti if your not a conscientious developer blah blah blah...) However, in no way shape or form does it prevent you from learning coldfusion properly. That is an element of the programmer. No method for structuring applications is going to discourage a developer from learning the language. All FB (any version) does is provide a hub/spoke structure within which you right your application and a few functions that can assist in ease of development. It can't help you learn to write good code nor does it prevent you from writing good code. In terms of tieing your hands; never had any issue with finding FB restricting how I writing a well structured application. Frankly, developers who aren't using MVC (now that we have a real approximation to an OO language) or a hub/spoke method (procedural) should all be taken out and shot. These are the developers who just litter files with queries,displays, actions with no defined flow through the application and create applications that cannot be maintained. In no way does or has FB ever attempted to write an application for a developer, so your statement that an application can generally be written better from scratch has no relevance to the dicussion. I'm not happy about all the "political" and "commercial" BS that FB has become since FB3, but these kind of statements are pure ignorance of what FuseBox is. Sorry Simon. Regards Stephen -- ** Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For human help, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ** Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For human help, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
