We have tried to push the Contrail issue all the way up to C-level at Juniper. Contrail represents a whole group of products of which OpenContrail/Contrail Networking is just a part. They spent too much money and time marketing the name, they will not abandon it. This like going to Cisco and asking them to abandon Catalyst or Nexus as a name. We fought a pretty hard fight internally but we lost that fight. Juniper will not release the Contrail as its cloud suite product name.
CNCF is part of LF, so it is out. Apache is likely to have the same lawyers and the same trademark concerns. So to join an establish foundation we have to change names. It is painful. But I have rebranded products before. It is just a question of outreach to users, press and potential users and potential community members. We will use upcoming OSN, Kubecon and OpenStack to reach out to folks and propagate the new name. We can mourn the old name at OSN. I’ll buy a round of beers for it. Joining the foundation is needed to grow the community long term, so we do need to move on. Greg From: Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of "CARVER, PAUL" <pc2...@att.com> Date: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 6:52 AM To: Robert Raszuk <rob...@raszuk.net>, "ext-edgar.mag...@workday.com" <edgar.mag...@workday.com> Cc: "firstname.lastname@example.org" <email@example.com>, "annou...@lists.opencontrail.org" <annou...@lists.opencontrail.org> Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] [Announce] Opinion Please: Help Choose OpenContrail's New Name The Linux Foundation refuses to accept the OpenContrail trademark if they can’t also have the Contrail trademark. So, although you feel that they are not similar, we don’t have any leverage to override LF’s decision. Unless you really think we should abandon the move to LF (please don’t) and go back to square one of deciding on a new governance structure, we have to accept the LF’s stance. Were there other names on the naming candidate list https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tSx3PLQbyojqJZHStl6fetDU3lX5774mItajbFWOccc/edit<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1tSx3PLQbyojqJZHStl6fetDU3lX5774mItajbFWOccc_edit&d=DwMGaQ&c=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=VQrMBvKeploIeBocya36pOwODBVDvmbjFqFgowqJuhs&m=Yc7WcGVzDqjk3DBmzlpigfdVM94wiRewqytTpMILRbM&s=h6YKESBVoCDWWjWdUGgUSkvlyD1d0cVL-v2XLmFQS5U&e=> that you like better that didn’t make it onto this poll? Personal opinions are always going to have some differences, for example I think CFabric is terrible as well. Ian Rae had mentioned Cloudcircuit, which I kind of like but I have to admit it’s fairly blah. Nothing on the naming list really jumps out at me as a really terrific name, but I’m not particularly invested in what we call it. If you’ve got a suggestion that passes trademark review (because that’s 100% mandatory and beyond our control) then please do campaign for it. But it isn’t doing us any good to keep coming back to OpenContrail because the lawyers have spoken, not just Juniper’s lawyers but the Linux Foundation’s lawyers. And unless you’ve consulted your own trademark lawyers and gotten a different opinion (that your lawyers are willing to argue with other lawyers over) there’s just nothing to be gained by lamenting their opinion. -- Paul Carver VoIP: 732-545-7377 Cell: 908-803-1656 E: pcar...@att.com<mailto:pcar...@att.com> It is difficult to make predictions. Especially about the future. From: Dev [mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org] On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 05:33 To: Edgar Magana <edgar.mag...@workday.com> Cc: firstname.lastname@example.org; annou...@lists.opencontrail.org Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] [Announce] Opinion Please: Help Choose OpenContrail's New Name Hi Edgar, > In my opinion, these three names sound awful. Completely agree ! Terrible. Why not something very easy like CFabric ? (Oh no it starts with bad letter "c" ;-). > Maybe we could negotiate with Juniper ... Exactly proposed the same few months back (when this all started to surface). Got back bunch of unicasts from J that this is impossible to negotiate - the internal decision has been made. I actually still do not understand the real reason: LF/Community project name is: OpenContrail. Juniper commercial name is: Contrail. Completely different words/names. What's wrong with keeping it as it was named day one ? Otherwise looking at the three alternatives provided it does look like someone really hard is trying to kill the community version :( Cheers, R. On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 4:48 AM, Edgar Magana <edgar.mag...@workday.com<mailto:edgar.mag...@workday.com>> wrote: Community, I know I have been disengaged lately from the project and I probably do not deserve a voice here. However, I would like to ask you for your forgiveness if I do say something that is out of place, wrong or even offensive, it is not my intention. In my opinion, these three names sound awful. I think we should do better marketing about it. It feels that we are going to lose a lot of good branding with OpenContrail. Maybe going under Linux Foundation is not the best option for this open-source project. I know a lot of people have invested a lot of effort on making this project part of the LF but again, just feel that we are going to lose a lot. Maybe we could negotiate with Juniper, they were the ones deciding open-source it, maybe they are willing to change the name of the enterprise version. These are just my thoughts. Thanks for reading and understanding my opinion. Edgar From: Announce <announce-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:announce-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org>> on behalf of Gregory Elkinbard <gelkinb...@juniper.net<mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net>> Date: Monday, February 12, 2018 at 4:52 PM To: "email@example.com<mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org>" <email@example.com<mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org>>, "annou...@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:annou...@lists.opencontrail.org>" <annou...@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:annou...@lists.opencontrail.org>> Subject: [Announce] Opinion Please: Help Choose OpenContrail's New Name As many of you already know, we are required to change the name of the project as part of moving to the LF-N. We've started the ball rolling by coming up with a slate of names that we've preliminarily vetted with trademark counsel. That process has yielded three names that we are reasonably confident can pass the more stringent trademark test that is presently underway. Now, we need your help. We've set up a Google Form poll to gather community input on which of these three names might be most preferred by a plurality of members. Please follow the link below https://goo.gl/forms/dj7xIlsXowVez4wI2<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__goo.gl_forms_dj7xIlsXowVez4wI2&d=DwMGaQ&c=DS6PUFBBr_KiLo7Sjt3ljp5jaW5k2i9ijVXllEdOozc&r=G0XRJfDQsuBvqa_wpWyDAUlSpeMV4W1qfWqBfctlWwQ&m=qaoUKbChW9HuoasYBHB1F16Igz5yMGcga5w_YLYZ0L0&s=K7KNLYV0FYVu4UDiY3vjt_7On1xO76CZ96nn-FK-Sno&e=> and complete the poll per the instructions there. Voting is open through 08:00 UTC on Thursday, February 15. We'll announce the winner next week, pending the aforementioned trademark counsel review. Thanks for participating! 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