-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 03/03/15 15:40, Jorge Araya Navarro wrote: > FYI: > http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/03/03/gitlab-acquires-rival-gitorious-will-shut-june-1/ > *** See also https://about.gitlab.com/2015/03/03/gitlab-acquires-gitorious/
Rolf Bjaanes, Gitorious CEO, gives some background on the reasons for the acquisition: “At Gitorious we saw more and more organizations adopting GitLab. Due to decreased income from on-premises customers, running the free Gitorious.org was no longer sustainable. GitLab was solving the same problem that we were, but was solving it better.” I have talked with Gitlab CEO: 17:26 < hellekin> hello, can someone explain the rationale behind shutting down gitorious? Is there a specific channel where that can be discussed? 17:28 < dblessing> hellekin: yeah, no one for GitLab B.V. proper is here. gitorious will be available until june 1 and users will be given a method to migrate to gitlab.com easily 17:29 < hellekin> dblessing: thanks. I can't wrap my mind around this as being "a good thing" for software freedom. Not that I will miss Gitorious though. 17:31 < haynes> https://about.gitlab.com/2015/03/03/gitlab-acquires-gitorious/ contains a little bit more info on the background 17:34 < hellekin> haynes: thanks, it makes sense. 17:34 < sytse_> gitlab ceo here, happy to answer questions about the gitorious acquisition 17:34 < hellekin> hi sytse_, thank you for showing up! 17:35 < sytse_> no problem, Drew indicated you had a question 17:36 < hellekin> sytse_: I want to start by telling you how much I like gitlab. I'm working with Devuan.org, the Debian fork, and we're using it as our devolpment platform. 17:36 < sytse_> great to hear that! 17:37 < hellekin> sytse_: haynes just pointed me to https://about.gitlab.com/2015/03/03/gitlab-acquires-gitorious/ where the CEO of Gitorious, Rolf Bjaanes, explains that Gitlab solves the public repo hosting better than Gitorious. 17:37 < sytse_> we noticed you used GitLab, hopefully in inspiration to Debian 17:37 < sytse_> yep 17:38 < hellekin> sytse_: wait a sec... That needs formulation... 17:39 < hellekin> sytse_: when I first read about Gitorious shutting down, I thought that it was some blow on the diversity of alternatives to Github. Something quite negative at first sight. 17:41 < hellekin> sytse_: then I read this comment by Rolf Bjaanes and thought that it makes sense, as you're simply allowing them to "exit" before the business becomes too bad and the big customers want to shift away to Github. Can you tell use more about how you came to figure out this strategy? I mean, beyond the nice gesture, how important is it for you to grab that market share so to speak. 17:43 < sytse_> thanks for asking, Rolf from Gitorious contacted us because their business was no longer sustainable and they wanted to exit without a bankruptcy or so 17:44 < sytse_> we saw a potential to get more awareness and users for gitlab and they thought GitLab was a good fit for their existing customers (more features and based on open source) 17:44 < jalcine> isn't gitorious open source too? 17:44 < sytse_> yes 17:44 < sytse_> AGPL3 17:45 < sytse_> so gitorious would have shut down anyway, we tried to make the best of it together 17:45 < hellekin> yes, that's a pity gitlab isn't AGPLv3+ as well 17:45 < sytse_> the headline on TNW was the choice of the publication 17:45 < sytse_> we like the MIT license but opinions vary 17:46 < hellekin> sytse_: I'm a GNU maintainer :) 17:47 < sytse_> so I won't start a debate :) it is already quite a show on https://about.gitlab.com/2015/03/03/gitlab-acquires-gitorious/ 17:49 < hellekin> sytse_: BTW, that's something of a disension between the FSF and Github, the way they "look" at copyleft. That means a window of opportunity for you to differentiate from the competition and reassure AGPL fans. 17:49 < hellekin> dissension 17:51 < sytse_> there maybe is a market for that but we're comfortable with the MIT, we think our actions our more important than the license, do we ship a great GitLab CE month after month? 17:53 < sytse_> yeah, the wiki could use some love, see http://feedback.gitlab.com/forums/176466-general/suggestions/4320328-enable-all-the-goodies-in-the-gollum-wiki-engine 17:55 < hellekin> sytse_: see how I used it yesterday: https://git.devuan.org/Envite/devuan-weekly-news/wikis/past-issues/volume-02/issue-014 17:57 < hellekin> sytse_: indeed I tested block diagrams and transclusion yesterday. [[incude:other-page]] would definitely remove the need for Mediawiki AFAIC 17:57 < sytse_> looks nice! 17:57 < hellekin> sytse_: the great advantage of using markdown is that we send the newsletter straight to email without modification. 17:58 < sytse_> markdown is awesome, I hope lawyers will also start using it soon 18:00 < hellekin> sytse_: well anyway, thank you for showing up, and for enabling a great alternative to Github. If you switch to GPL I can convince RMS to use it for Savannah ;o) 18:02 < hellekin> sytse_: I'd be interested in pursuing this conversation some time. My GPG key is public. 18:03 < sytse_> feel free to email me at [email protected], i don't use GPG yet 18:03 < sytse_> and thanks for the conversation 18:04 < hellekin> I will. TTYL sytse_ 18:06 < sytse_> ttyl hellekin Rob Myers thinks they will be wiped out by Github because they lack business skills. I'm not so sure. In any case, besides the poor license choice, I much prefer the Gitlab code than the Gitorious code, so I won't complain. == hk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJU9lPtXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQ0IyNkIyRTNDNzEyMTc2OUEzNEM4ODU0 ODA2QzM2M0ZDMTg5ODNEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9CFsP/0laoPMb8TM+wKgoRQYRx0aL FkWEleudu8v+EZyzwzXBFf/pJMfW6b6Ty7VZKejgbHaw5t1Ckp3+0H3eHLy5O3+9 iiVSA9UrDkxzV4SDEnLRqor9oz0bp/v3t8juX1+/q0KMxT15knRg5gvnqOfJxjNi HXZ0Q4el06YPrtznRqKIHvLQidUytfqoVlM9M+H9b2peW69WEvR/p9S0nY2Z9vRl LeC8KlRNMt9g9KDpXH9ZDD+sfAVUw6QTSEpJfMkSZ+3V2SaDB4rNZT/bAv3iM+D7 qPXG53zlSSsU/rtRZZ6y56CMltS4cuVcriqcO6zQriuqpIM2T52mIN24f+cmGsOJ q2WELlFKfbeqzdn2dy5fMDx4BEjAmeW69EXViveWjEWs2v4abYcMJmZvz1NXXUve RO0L/BsNgTo2hQ+ePvi15sWA5y/+zSuHCp5ojmWhK9TunFZnAaevEBQQYZcE9xkm yhCKOV56CbfNnpBVqoz0TKvU/BZfWNQ0RGtnY2O1nzI0Tim8oKgfLBy7RrxIhzET RukcEYuQFDXZBnrij90OQVRzfUU6FjwCoPuZL9Ky0XX5FeGXFduFJs8+Q6qgg+KF bMktszAeS1PYuSCPQd4E6uf2DDsgSWxlDYL6PPZyuXwZQ1nwOa/81RjHXQ1jlB4e Q1CVrBT9V/M2SPT8zp0t =Jwrw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list [email protected] https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
