On 20.04.2017 09:55, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: > On 20.04.2017 08:40, Quiliro wrote: >>> Ceata is considering extending the agreement with Parabola for >>> another year if all the devs that have created problems leave the >>> project. >> >> However advantageous the conditions are with Ceata, I would suggest, >> for the good of Ceata and of Parabola, not to continue with the >> agreement. The best would be to end it in good terms. The problems >> could come up again and again because bad feelings never will heal >> unless there is good will. And that is very difficult considering the >> past actions. > > Is it possible that by "past actions" you refer to some your own people > > 1) undemocratically and privately asking for a tone of money from the > Parabola fund for hardware they want to use and keep for themselves even > after they leave the project, > > 2) dismissing the delegate's concerns about these big expenses unknown > to the community, by labeling them as "unnecessary drama", > > 3) sabotaging the relationship with the fiscal sponsor, by unjustly and > publicly accusing the fiscal sponsor of misusing the Parabola funds,
I forgot to mention, with the objective of having the Parabola funds transferred to an offshore that they personally control! Are you kidding me? Do they have any limit? > 4) building a faction inside the project, recruiting fellow devs that > don't know both sides of the story, > > 5) vandalizing the wiki and repos, deleting free cultural works and free > software from the project, before they leave. > >> More maturity is needed and less ping pong hitting each >> other between players. Until such maturity is reached, it will happen >> again and again. And I am not writting about one side only. A fight is >> not with only one fighter. > > I guarantee you that if G4JC doesn't follow his comrade Emulatorman and > leaves the project, the same issues will happen with the next fiscal > sponsorship. And an agreement extension with Ceata is out of the table > if G4JC stays. > > Until your own people won't start respecting agreements with 3rd parties > that have been approved by the community with consensus, Parabola will > continue to have problems raising and spending funds. > > You're talking about maturity? Maturity means following protocol and > respecting agreements. I don't have the time to teach you that, although > I patiently tried. Nobody has time to teach you that! > > On 20.04.2017 08:23, Quiliro wrote: >> I suggest the next fiscal sponsor is an organization that has someone >> with good human relationship skills in their team. That is basic for >> avoiding conflicts. > > Please, show some maturity and start drafting the proposal to be sent to > FSIJ. Or to other sponsor candidate, for that matter. > >> I don't think all of us have these types of skills. But where money is >> handled, I think it is a must because all of us are in need and it is a >> tacky issue in our subconcious. The money issue is always difficult, >> specially when it is not maturely dealt with. The best thing is to avoid >> it all together, in my opinion. But, if there must be a fiscal sponsor, >> it must be someone or an organization with someone that has great >> diplomacy besides the obvious honesty. > > Start doing actual work if you want things to run better in your project > and in the relantionship with 3rd parties. That's the mature thing to do. > > Tiberiu > > P.S. I prefer being straight with people I care about. Diplomacy is just > another word for manipulation. _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list Dev@lists.parabola.nu https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev