Richard Green wrote:
Charles McNulty wrote:
Well, obviously RC is highly dependent on javascript, which is
totally browser dependent. I don't know to what degree if any mobile
browsers implement javascript. In other words, single-clicking vs.
double-clicking on a cell phone is just the tip of the iceberg in
terms of problems using RC on a cell phone. I guess the question is,
what browser does the cell phone use? (if it's even possible to get
that info) , does that browser implement javascript? and is there a
way to run that browser on a workstation instead of just a cell so
that people can test it without having to get the phone?
-Charles
From my web logs, my phone reports itself as:
SAMSUNG-SGH-D500/1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1
UP.Browser/6.2.3.3.c.1.101 (GUI) MMP/2.0
But no, it doesn't support javascript.
I guess that you don't subscribe to the belief of gracious degradation
then. To me javascript, while being capable of performing wonderful
usability enhancing functions, should never be a requirement. Web pages
and applications should be able to function perfectly well with JS
disabled; JS can certainly be used to make things easier and flashier,
but not at the cost of accessibility. I thoroughly recommend reading A
List Apart http://www.alistapart.com; they have many many articles about
accessibility, none of which advocates reducing your web site /
application to an archaic state all in the name of accessibility.
I realise that the majority of the functions within the application rely
on javascript and I am certainly not trying to say it should all be
rewritten, but I think that you should at least provide the ability to
READ e-mails for those people using browsers without javascript support.
Kevin L. wrote:
I totally understand and agree with Charles' response, and the last
thing I would like to see would be hyper links all over the place as
the current setup is quite beautiful
Never heard of CSS? How can something as innocuous as a simple hyperlink
make a page ugly? If it's the underlines that bother you, CSS has a
remarkable ability that can come to the rescue here...
I will have a play with this this weekend and I will try and see how the
application functions with added hyperlinks. If I think I can get it
to work without breaking any other functions then I will submit the
changes to this list for comment.
Thanks,
Richard
Obviously, you never read the email from Charles McNulty about
degredation of the JS. I agree with Charles in his sentiments that this
is is a Web 2.0 project, and it's a desktop type application, not a web
page. You can use SquirrelMail or Horde if you want. That doesn't use
JS. But why should a project that on the front page has a requirement
as JS degrade for those that can't handle it. Not only would it delay
the final release date, but essentially you'd have another webmail
client, and not the one that I think Thomas has envisioned.
Degrading the JS is a good idea for regular web pages, but this is a web
application, not a page. This is meant to be interactive and use Web
2.0 technology. I'm sorry, but I don't see why we should stop down to
lesser tech just to satisfy a phone.... most of our users will be using
computers and can enable JS for their email site.
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