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Varun Thacker commented on LUCENE-7976:
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There are two scenarios that are being discussed here:
- Users having large indexes and segments having <50% deleted docs. They
aren't getting cleaned away because segments have become 5G. The absolute
number of deleted docs is very high in this index because they were large to
begin with.
- A user called optimize and now that one big segment will never get merged
away.
Both are similar but the latter has got to do with users running the optimize
command. Re-naming the command from the Solr side and other changes is
important here.
But the first scenario is what I've now seen at two clusters recently so I'd
like to tackle this.
We have a default on what the max segment size should be which is really nice.
However I'm not convinced that adding a new setting which merges two segments
when it reaches a delete threshold is a good idea. It works for this scenario
but now we'll have a segment that's 8GB in size and then two 8GB segments will
merge into a 14GB segment etc. The merge times will increase and potentially
over the period of time could be harmful?
Instead what if the delete threshold worked like this: if we can't find any
eligible merges , pick a segment which is 5G in size and more than the
threshold deletes and rewrite just that segment. So now the 5G segment will
become 4G effectively purging he documents. Also keep a lower bound check so
users can't set a delete threshold below 20%.
> Add a parameter to TieredMergePolicy to merge segments that have more than X
> percent deleted documents
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> Key: LUCENE-7976
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-7976
> Project: Lucene - Core
> Issue Type: Improvement
> Reporter: Erick Erickson
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> We're seeing situations "in the wild" where there are very large indexes (on
> disk) handled quite easily in a single Lucene index. This is particularly
> true as features like docValues move data into MMapDirectory space. The
> current TMP algorithm allows on the order of 50% deleted documents as per a
> dev list conversation with Mike McCandless (and his blog here:
> https://www.elastic.co/blog/lucenes-handling-of-deleted-documents).
> Especially in the current era of very large indexes in aggregate, (think many
> TB) solutions like "you need to distribute your collection over more shards"
> become very costly. Additionally, the tempting "optimize" button exacerbates
> the issue since once you form, say, a 100G segment (by
> optimizing/forceMerging) it is not eligible for merging until 97.5G of the
> docs in it are deleted (current default 5G max segment size).
> The proposal here would be to add a new parameter to TMP, something like
> <maxAllowedPctDeletedInBigSegments> (no, that's not serious name, suggestions
> welcome) which would default to 100 (or the same behavior we have now).
> So if I set this parameter to, say, 20%, and the max segment size stays at
> 5G, the following would happen when segments were selected for merging:
> > any segment with > 20% deleted documents would be merged or rewritten NO
> > MATTER HOW LARGE. There are two cases,
> >> the segment has < 5G "live" docs. In that case it would be merged with
> >> smaller segments to bring the resulting segment up to 5G. If no smaller
> >> segments exist, it would just be rewritten
> >> The segment has > 5G "live" docs (the result of a forceMerge or optimize).
> >> It would be rewritten into a single segment removing all deleted docs no
> >> matter how big it is to start. The 100G example above would be rewritten
> >> to an 80G segment for instance.
> Of course this would lead to potentially much more I/O which is why the
> default would be the same behavior we see now. As it stands now, though,
> there's no way to recover from an optimize/forceMerge except to re-index from
> scratch. We routinely see 200G-300G Lucene indexes at this point "in the
> wild" with 10s of shards replicated 3 or more times. And that doesn't even
> include having these over HDFS.
> Alternatives welcome! Something like the above seems minimally invasive. A
> new merge policy is certainly an alternative.
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