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Erick Erickson commented on LUCENE-7976:
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Hold the presses. I really, really, really _hate_ it when the thought occurs at 
6:30 AM "Maybe if I approached the problem slightly differently it would be 
vastly simpler". I suppose sometimes I have to work through all the gory 
details before understanding the process enough to think of a simpler way...

Anyway, I said it above [~mikemccand], If findForcedDeletesMerges and 
findForcedMerges all need to go through the work of findMerges to respect 
segment size, would it be possible to refactor out the meat of findMerges and 
feed it the eligible lists from findForcedDeletesMerges and findForcedMerges? 
Then a couple of parameters would need to be passed into the extracted method, 
things like max segment size and segs per tier etc. But the current code then 
stays largely intact.

Taking a hack at this now, if it pans out at all you should completely ignore 
the previous patch.


> Make TieredMergePolicy respect maxSegmentSizeMB and allow singleton merges of 
> very large segments
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>
>                 Key: LUCENE-7976
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-7976
>             Project: Lucene - Core
>          Issue Type: Improvement
>            Reporter: Erick Erickson
>            Assignee: Erick Erickson
>            Priority: Major
>         Attachments: LUCENE-7976.patch, LUCENE-7976.patch, LUCENE-7976.patch
>
>
> We're seeing situations "in the wild" where there are very large indexes (on 
> disk) handled quite easily in a single Lucene index. This is particularly 
> true as features like docValues move data into MMapDirectory space. The 
> current TMP algorithm allows on the order of 50% deleted documents as per a 
> dev list conversation with Mike McCandless (and his blog here:  
> https://www.elastic.co/blog/lucenes-handling-of-deleted-documents).
> Especially in the current era of very large indexes in aggregate, (think many 
> TB) solutions like "you need to distribute your collection over more shards" 
> become very costly. Additionally, the tempting "optimize" button exacerbates 
> the issue since once you form, say, a 100G segment (by 
> optimizing/forceMerging) it is not eligible for merging until 97.5G of the 
> docs in it are deleted (current default 5G max segment size).
> The proposal here would be to add a new parameter to TMP, something like 
> <maxAllowedPctDeletedInBigSegments> (no, that's not serious name, suggestions 
> welcome) which would default to 100 (or the same behavior we have now).
> So if I set this parameter to, say, 20%, and the max segment size stays at 
> 5G, the following would happen when segments were selected for merging:
> > any segment with > 20% deleted documents would be merged or rewritten NO 
> > MATTER HOW LARGE. There are two cases,
> >> the segment has < 5G "live" docs. In that case it would be merged with 
> >> smaller segments to bring the resulting segment up to 5G. If no smaller 
> >> segments exist, it would just be rewritten
> >> The segment has > 5G "live" docs (the result of a forceMerge or optimize). 
> >> It would be rewritten into a single segment removing all deleted docs no 
> >> matter how big it is to start. The 100G example above would be rewritten 
> >> to an 80G segment for instance.
> Of course this would lead to potentially much more I/O which is why the 
> default would be the same behavior we see now. As it stands now, though, 
> there's no way to recover from an optimize/forceMerge except to re-index from 
> scratch. We routinely see 200G-300G Lucene indexes at this point "in the 
> wild" with 10s of  shards replicated 3 or more times. And that doesn't even 
> include having these over HDFS.
> Alternatives welcome! Something like the above seems minimally invasive. A 
> new merge policy is certainly an alternative.



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