I don't think it is critical for this to be a blocker for 8.0. If it gets fixed 
in 8.0.1 that's ok too, given this is an ooold bug.
I think we should simply remove the buffering feature in the UI and replace it 
with an error message popup or something.
I'll try to take a look next week.

--
Jan Høydahl, search solution architect
Cominvent AS - www.cominvent.com

> 25. jan. 2019 kl. 20:39 skrev Tomás Fernández Löbbe <tomasflo...@gmail.com>:
> 
> I think the UI is an important Solr feature. As long as there is a reasonable 
> time horizon for the issue being resolved I'm +1 on making it a blocker. I'm 
> not familiar enough with the UI code to help either unfortunately.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 11:24 AM Gus Heck <gus.h...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:gus.h...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> It looks like someone tried to make it a blocker once before... And it's 
> actually a duplicate of an earlier issue 
> (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-9818 
> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-9818>). I guess its a question of 
> whether or not overall quality has a bearing on the decision to release. As 
> it turns out the screen shot I posted to the issue is less than half of the 
> shards that eventually got created since there was an outstanding queue of 
> requests still processing at the time. I'm now having to delete 50 or so 
> cores, which luckily are small 100 Mb initial testing cores, not the 20GB 
> cores we'll be testing on in the near future. It more or less makes it 
> impossible to recommend the use of the admin UI for anything other than read 
> only observation of the cluster. Now imagine someone leaves a browser window 
> open and forgets about it rather than browsing away or closing the window, 
> not knowing that it's silently pumping out requests after showing an error... 
> would completely hose a node, and until they tracked down the source of the 
> requests, (hope he didn't go home) it would be impossible to resolve...
> 
> On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 1:25 PM Adrien Grand <jpou...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:jpou...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Releasing a new major is very challenging on its own, I'd rather not
> call it a blocker and delay the release for it since this isn't a new
> regression in 8.0: it looks like a problem that has affected Solr
> since at least 6.3? I'm not familiar with the UI code at all, but
> maybe this is something that could get fixed before we build a RC?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 6:06 PM Gus Heck <gus.h...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:gus.h...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I'd like to suggest that https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-10211 
> > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-10211> be promoted to block 
> > 8.0. I just got burned by it a second time.
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 1:05 PM Uwe Schindler <u...@thetaphi.de 
> > <mailto:u...@thetaphi.de>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Cool,
> >>
> >> I am working on giving my best release time guess as possible on the 
> >> FOSDEM conference!
> >>
> >> Uwe
> >>
> >> -----
> >> Uwe Schindler
> >> Achterdiek 19, D-28357 Bremen
> >> http://www.thetaphi.de <http://www.thetaphi.de/>
> >> eMail: u...@thetaphi.de <mailto:u...@thetaphi.de>
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Adrien Grand <jpou...@gmail.com <mailto:jpou...@gmail.com>>
> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 5:33 PM
> >> > To: Lucene Dev <dev@lucene.apache.org <mailto:dev@lucene.apache.org>>
> >> > Subject: Re: Lucene/Solr 8.0
> >> >
> >> > +1 to release 7.7 and 8.0 in a row starting on the week of February 4th.
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 4:23 PM jim ferenczi <jim.feren...@gmail.com 
> >> > <mailto:jim.feren...@gmail.com>>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi,
> >> > > As we agreed some time ago I'd like to start on releasing 8.0. The 
> >> > > branch is
> >> > already created so we can start the process anytime now. Unless there are
> >> > objections I'd like to start the feature freeze next week in order to 
> >> > build the
> >> > first candidate the week after.
> >> > > We'll also need a 7.7 release but I think we can handle both with Alan 
> >> > > so
> >> > the question now is whether we are ok to start the release process or if 
> >> > there
> >> > are any blockers left ;).
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Le mar. 15 janv. 2019 à 11:35, Alan Woodward <romseyg...@gmail.com 
> >> > > <mailto:romseyg...@gmail.com>>
> >> > a écrit :
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I’ve started to work through the various deprecations on the new 
> >> > >> master
> >> > branch.  There are a lot of them, and I’m going to need some assistance 
> >> > for
> >> > several of them, as it’s not entirely clear what to do.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I’ll open two overarching issues in JIRA, one for lucene and one for 
> >> > >> Solr,
> >> > with lists of the deprecations that need to be removed in each one.  
> >> > I’ll create
> >> > a shared branch on gitbox to work against, and push the changes I’ve 
> >> > already
> >> > done there.  We can then create individual JIRA issues for any changes 
> >> > that
> >> > are more involved than just deleting code.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> All assistance gratefully received, particularly for the Solr 
> >> > >> deprecations
> >> > where there’s a lot of code I’m unfamiliar with.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On 8 Jan 2019, at 09:21, Alan Woodward <romseyg...@gmail.com 
> >> > >> <mailto:romseyg...@gmail.com>>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I think the current plan is to do a 7.7 release at the same time as 
> >> > >> 8.0, to
> >> > handle any last-minute deprecations etc.  So let’s keep those jobs 
> >> > enabled
> >> > for now.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On 8 Jan 2019, at 09:10, Uwe Schindler <u...@thetaphi.de 
> >> > >> <mailto:u...@thetaphi.de>> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Hi,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I will start and add the branch_8x jobs to Jenkins once I have some 
> >> > >> time
> >> > later today.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> The question: How to proceed with branch_7x? Should we stop using it
> >> > and release 7.6.x only (so we would use branch_7_6 only for bugfixes), or
> >> > are we planning to one more Lucene/Solr 7.7? In the latter case I would 
> >> > keep
> >> > the jenkins jobs enabled for a while.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Uwe
> >> > >>
> >> > >> -----
> >> > >> Uwe Schindler
> >> > >> Achterdiek 19, D-28357 Bremen
> >> > >> http://www.thetaphi.de <http://www.thetaphi.de/>
> >> > >> eMail: u...@thetaphi.de <mailto:u...@thetaphi.de>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> From: Alan Woodward <romseyg...@gmail.com 
> >> > >> <mailto:romseyg...@gmail.com>>
> >> > >> Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 11:30 AM
> >> > >> To: dev@lucene.apache.org <mailto:dev@lucene.apache.org>
> >> > >> Subject: Re: Lucene/Solr 8.0
> >> > >>
> >> > >> OK, Christmas caught up with me a bit… I’ve just created a branch for 
> >> > >> 8x
> >> > from master, and am in the process of updating the master branch to 
> >> > version
> >> > 9.  New commits that should be included in the 8.0 release should also be
> >> > back-ported to branch_8x from master.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> This is not intended as a feature freeze, as I know there are still 
> >> > >> some
> >> > things being worked on for 8.0; however, it should let us clean up 
> >> > master by
> >> > removing as much deprecated code as possible, and give us an idea of any
> >> > replacement work that needs to be done.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On 19 Dec 2018, at 15:13, David Smiley <david.w.smi...@gmail.com 
> >> > >> <mailto:david.w.smi...@gmail.com>>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> January.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 2:04 AM S G <sg.online.em...@gmail.com 
> >> > >> <mailto:sg.online.em...@gmail.com>>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> It would be nice to see Solr 8 in January soon as there is an 
> >> > >> enhancement
> >> > on nested-documents we are waiting to get our hands on.
> >> > >> Any idea when Solr 8 would be out ?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Thx
> >> > >> SG
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 1:34 PM David Smiley
> >> > <david.w.smi...@gmail.com <mailto:david.w.smi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I see 10 JIRA issues matching this filter:   project in (SOLR, 
> >> > >> LUCENE) AND
> >> > priority = Blocker and status = open and fixVersion = "master (8.0)"
> >> > >>    click here:
> >> > >>
> >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20in%20(SOLR%2C%20LU 
> >> > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20in%20(SOLR%2C%20LU>
> >> > CENE)%20AND%20priority%20%3D%20Blocker%20and%20status%20%3D%2
> >> > 0open%20and%20fixVersion%20%3D%20%22master%20(8.0)%22%20
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Thru the end of the month, I intend to work on those issues not yet
> >> > assigned.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 4:51 AM Adrien Grand <jpou...@gmail.com 
> >> > >> <mailto:jpou...@gmail.com>>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> +1
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 10:38 AM Alan Woodward
> >> > <romseyg...@gmail.com <mailto:romseyg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Hi all,
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Now that 7.6 is out of the door (thanks Nick!) we should think about
> >> > cutting the 8.0 branch and moving master to 9.0.  I’ll volunteer to 
> >> > create the
> >> > branch this week - say Wednesday?  Then we should have some time to
> >> > clean up the master branch and uncover anything that still needs to be 
> >> > done
> >> > on 8.0 before we start the release process next year.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > On 22 Oct 2018, at 18:12, Cassandra Targett <casstarg...@gmail.com 
> >> > >> > <mailto:casstarg...@gmail.com>>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > I'm a bit delayed, but +1 on the 7.6 and 8.0 plan from me too.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 7:18 AM Erick Erickson
> >> > <erickerick...@gmail.com <mailto:erickerick...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> +1, this gives us all a chance to prioritize getting the blockers 
> >> > >> >> out
> >> > >> >> of the way in a careful manner.
> >> > >> >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 7:56 AM jim ferenczi 
> >> > >> >> <jim.feren...@gmail.com <mailto:jim.feren...@gmail.com>>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> > +1 too. With this new perspective we could create the branch just
> >> > after the 7.6 release and target the 8.0 release for January 2019 which 
> >> > gives
> >> > almost 3 month to finish the blockers ?
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> > Le jeu. 18 oct. 2018 à 23:56, David Smiley
> >> > <david.w.smi...@gmail.com <mailto:david.w.smi...@gmail.com>> a écrit :
> >> > >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> +1 to a 7.6 —lots of stuff in there
> >> > >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 4:47 PM Nicholas Knize
> >> > <nkn...@gmail.com <mailto:nkn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > >> >> >>>
> >> > >> >> >>> If we're planning to postpone cutting an 8.0 branch until a few
> >> > weeks from now then I'd like to propose (and volunteer to RM) a 7.6 
> >> > release
> >> > targeted for late November or early December (following the typical 2 
> >> > month
> >> > release pattern). It feels like this might give a little breathing room 
> >> > for
> >> > finishing up 8.0 blockers? And looking at the change log there appear to 
> >> > be a
> >> > healthy list of features, bug fixes, and improvements to both Solr and 
> >> > Lucene
> >> > that warrant a 7.6 release? Personally I wouldn't mind releasing the
> >> > LatLonShape encoding changes in LUCENE-8521 and selective indexing work
> >> > done in LUCENE-8496. Any objections or thoughts?
> >> > >> >> >>>
> >> > >> >> >>> - Nick
> >> > >> >> >>>
> >> > >> >> >>>
> >> > >> >> >>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 5:32 AM Đạt Cao Mạnh
> >> > <caomanhdat...@gmail.com <mailto:caomanhdat...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > >> >> >>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>> Thanks Cassandra and Jim,
> >> > >> >> >>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>> I created a blocker issue for Solr 8.0 SOLR-12883, currently 
> >> > >> >> >>>> in
> >> > jira/http2 branch there are a draft-unmature implementation of SPNEGO
> >> > authentication which enough to makes the test pass, this implementation 
> >> > will
> >> > be removed when SOLR-12883 gets resolved . Therefore I don't see any
> >> > problem on merging jira/http2 to master branch in the next week.
> >> > >> >> >>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 2:33 AM jim ferenczi
> >> > <jim.feren...@gmail.com <mailto:jim.feren...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > >> >> >>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>> > But if you're working with a different assumption - that 
> >> > >> >> >>>>> > just the
> >> > existence of the branch does not stop Dat from still merging his work 
> >> > and the
> >> > work being included in 8.0 - then I agree, waiting for him to merge 
> >> > doesn't
> >> > need to stop the creation of the branch.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>> Yes that's my reasoning. This issue is a blocker so we won't
> >> > release without it but we can work on the branch in the meantime and let
> >> > other people work on new features that are not targeted to 8.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>> Le mer. 17 oct. 2018 à 20:51, Cassandra Targett
> >> > <casstarg...@gmail.com <mailto:casstarg...@gmail.com>> a écrit :
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>> OK - I was making an assumption that the timeline for the 
> >> > >> >> >>>>>> first
> >> > 8.0 RC would be ASAP after the branch is created.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>> It's a common perception that making a branch freezes adding
> >> > new features to the release, perhaps in an unofficial way (more of a 
> >> > courtesy
> >> > rather than a rule). But if you're working with a different assumption - 
> >> > that
> >> > just the existence of the branch does not stop Dat from still merging 
> >> > his work
> >> > and the work being included in 8.0 - then I agree, waiting for him to 
> >> > merge
> >> > doesn't need to stop the creation of the branch.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>> If, however, once the branch is there people object to Dat
> >> > merging his work because it's "too late", then the branch shouldn't be
> >> > created yet because we want to really try to clear that blocker for 8.0.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>> Cassandra
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 12:13 PM jim ferenczi
> >> > <jim.feren...@gmail.com <mailto:jim.feren...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> Ok thanks for answering.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> > - I think Solr needs a couple more weeks since the work 
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> > Dat
> >> > is doing isn't quite done yet.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> We can wait a few more weeks to create the branch but I
> >> > don't think that one action (creating the branch) prevents the other (the
> >> > work Dat is doing).
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> HTTP/2 is one of the blocker for the release but it can be 
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> done
> >> > in master and backported to the appropriate branch as any other feature ?
> >> > We just need an issue with the blocker label to ensure that
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> we don't miss it ;). Creating the branch early would also 
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> help
> >> > in case you don't want to release all the work at once in 8.0.0.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> Next week was just a proposal, what I meant was soon
> >> > because we target a release in a few months.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> Le mer. 17 oct. 2018 à 17:52, Cassandra Targett
> >> > <casstarg...@gmail.com <mailto:casstarg...@gmail.com>> a écrit :
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>> IMO next week is a bit too soon for the branch - I think 
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>> Solr
> >> > needs a couple more weeks since the work Dat is doing isn't quite done 
> >> > yet.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>> Solr needs the HTTP/2 work Dat has been doing, and he told
> >> > me yesterday he feels it is nearly ready to be merged into master. 
> >> > However,
> >> > it does require a new release of Jetty to Solr is able to retain Kerberos
> >> > authentication support (Dat has been working with that team to help test 
> >> > the
> >> > changes Jetty needs to support Kerberos with HTTP/2). They should get 
> >> > that
> >> > release out soon, but we are dependent on them a little bit.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>> He can hopefully reply with more details on his status and
> >> > what else needs to be done.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>> Once Dat merges his work, IMO we should leave it in master
> >> > for a little bit. While he has been beasting and testing with Jenkins as 
> >> > he goes
> >> > along, I think it would be good to have all the regular master builds 
> >> > work on
> >> > it for a little bit also.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>> Of the other blockers, the only other large-ish one is to 
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>> fully
> >> > remove Trie* fields, which some of us also discussed yesterday and it
> >> > seemed we concluded that Solr isn't really ready to do that. The 
> >> > performance
> >> > issues with single value lookups are a major obstacle. It would be nice 
> >> > if
> >> > someone with a bit more experience with that could comment in the issue
> >> > (SOLR-12632) and/or unmark it as a blocker.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>> Cassandra
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 8:38 AM Erick Erickson
> >> > <erickerick...@gmail.com <mailto:erickerick...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> I find 9 open blockers for 8.0:
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20SOLR%20AND 
> >> > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20SOLR%20AND>
> >> > %20priority%20%3D%20Blocker%20AND%20status%20%3D%20OPEN
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> As David mentioned, many of the SOlr committers are at
> >> > Activate, which
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> ends Thursday so feedback (and work) may be a bit
> >> > delayed.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 8:11 AM David Smiley
> >> > <david.w.smi...@gmail.com <mailto:david.w.smi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> > Hi,
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> > Thanks for volunteering to do the 8.0 release Jim!
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> > Many of us are at the Activate Conference in Montreal.
> >> > We had a committers meeting where we discussed some of the blockers.  I
> >> > think only a couple items were raised.  I'll leave Dat to discuss the 
> >> > one on
> >> > HTTP2.  On the Solr nested docs front, I articulated one and we mostly 
> >> > came
> >> > to a decision on how to do it.  It's not "hard" just a matter of how to 
> >> > hook in
> >> > some functionality so that it's user-friendly.  I'll file an issue for 
> >> > this.
> >> > Inexplicably I'm sheepish about marking issues "blocker" but I shouldn't 
> >> > be.
> >> > I'll file that issue and look at another issue or two that ought to be 
> >> > blockers.
> >> > Nothing is "hard" or tons of work that is in my sphere of work.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> > On the Lucene side, I will commit
> >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-7875 
> >> > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-7875> RE MultiFields either
> >> > late tonight or tomorrow when I have time.  It's ready to be committed; 
> >> > just
> >> > sitting there.  It's a minor thing but important to make this change now
> >> > before 8.0.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> > I personally plan to spend more time on the upcoming
> >> > weeks on a few of these 8.0 things.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> > ~ David
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> > On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 4:21 AM jim ferenczi
> >> > <jim.feren...@gmail.com <mailto:jim.feren...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> Hi,
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> We still have two blockers for the Lucene 8 release:
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE- 
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE->
> >> > 7075?jql=(project%3D%22Lucene%20-
> >> > %20Core%22%20%20OR%20project%3DSOLR)%20AND%20priority%3DBlocke
> >> > r%20and%20resolution%20%3D%20Unresolved%20
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> We're planning to work on these issues in the coming
> >> > days, are there any other blockers (not in the list) on Solr side.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> Now that Lucene 7.5 is released I'd like to create a
> >> > Lucene 8 branch soon (next week for instance ? ). There are some work to 
> >> > do
> >> > to make sure that all tests pass, add the new version...
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> I can take care of it if there are no objections. 
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> Creating
> >> > the branch in advance would help to stabilize this version (people can
> >> > continue to work on new features that are not targeted for 8.0) and
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> we can discuss the best date for the release when all
> >> > blockers are resolved. What do you think ?
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> Le mar. 18 sept. 2018 à 11:32, Adrien Grand
> >> > <jpou...@gmail.com <mailto:jpou...@gmail.com>> a écrit :
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>> Đạt, is https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR- 
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR->
> >> > 12639 the right issue for HTTP/2 support? Should we make it a blocker for
> >> > 8.0?
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>> Le lun. 3 sept. 2018 à 23:37, Adrien Grand
> >> > <jpou...@gmail.com <mailto:jpou...@gmail.com>> a écrit :
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>> For the record here is the JIRA query for blockers 
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>> that
> >> > Erick referred to: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR- 
> >> > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR->
> >> > 12720?jql=(project%3D%22Lucene%20-
> >> > %20Core%22%20%20OR%20project%3DSOLR)%20AND%20priority%3DBlocke
> >> > r%20and%20resolution%20%3D%20Unresolved%20
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>> Le lun. 3 sept. 2018 à 10:36, jim ferenczi
> >> > <jim.feren...@gmail.com <mailto:jim.feren...@gmail.com>> a écrit :
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> Ok thanks Đạt and Erick. I'll follow the blockers 
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> on
> >> > Jira.  Đạt do you have an issue opened for the HTTP/2 support ?
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> Le ven. 31 août 2018 à 16:40, Erick Erickson
> >> > <erickerick...@gmail.com <mailto:erickerick...@gmail.com>> a écrit :
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> There's also the issue of what to do as far as
> >> > removing Trie* support.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> I think there's a blocker JIRA.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> project = SOLR AND priority = Blocker AND
> >> > resolution = Unresolved
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Shows 6 blockers
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 4:12 AM Đạt Cao Mạnh
> >> > <caomanhdat...@gmail.com <mailto:caomanhdat...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > Hi Jim,
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > I really want to introduce the support of HTTP/2
> >> > into Solr 8.0 (currently cooked in jira/http2 branch). The changes of 
> >> > that
> >> > branch are less than Star Burst effort and closer to be merged into 
> >> > master
> >> > branch.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > Thanks!
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 3:55 PM jim ferenczi
> >> > <jim.feren...@gmail.com <mailto:jim.feren...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >> Hi all,
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >> I'd like to get some feedback regarding the
> >> > upcoming Lucene/Solr 8 release. There are still some cleanups and docs to
> >> > add on the Lucene side but it seems that all blockers are resolved.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >> From a Solr perspective are there any important
> >> > changes that need to be done or are we still good with the October 
> >> > target for
> >> > the release ? Adrien mentioned the Star Burst effort some time ago, is it
> >> > something that is planned for 8 ?
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >> Cheers,
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >> Jim
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >> Le mer. 1 août 2018 à 19:02, David Smiley
> >> > <david.w.smi...@gmail.com <mailto:david.w.smi...@gmail.com>> a écrit :
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> Yes, that new BKD/Points based code is
> >> > definitely something we want in 8 or 7.5 -- it's a big deal.  I think it 
> >> > would also
> >> > be awesome if we had highlighter that could use the Weight.matches() API 
> >> > --
> >> > again for either 7.5 or 8.  I'm working on this on the 
> >> > UnifiedHighlighter front
> >> > and Alan from other aspects.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> ~ David
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 12:51 PM Adrien Grand
> >> > <jpou...@gmail.com <mailto:jpou...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> I was hoping that we would release some bits
> >> > of this new support for geo shapes in 7.5 already. We are already very 
> >> > close
> >> > to being able to index points, lines and polygons and query for 
> >> > intersection
> >> > with an envelope. It would be nice to add support for other relations 
> >> > (eg.
> >> > disjoint) and queries (eg. polygon) but the current work looks already 
> >> > useful
> >> > to me.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> Le mer. 1 août 2018 à 17:00, Robert Muir
> >> > <rcm...@gmail.com <mailto:rcm...@gmail.com>> a écrit :
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> My only other suggestion is we may want to
> >> > get Nick's shape stuff into
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> the sandbox module at least for 8.0 so that 
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> it
> >> > can be tested out. I
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> think it looks like that wouldn't delay any
> >> > October target though?
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 9:51 AM, Adrien
> >> > Grand <jpou...@gmail.com <mailto:jpou...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> > I'd like to revive this thread now that 
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> > these
> >> > new optimizations for
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> > collection of top docs are more usable and
> >> > enabled by default in
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> > IndexSearcher
> >> > (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-8060 
> >> > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-8060>). Any
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> > feedback about starting to work towards
> >> > releasing 8.0 and targeting October
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> > 2018?
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> > Le jeu. 21 juin 2018 à 09:31, Adrien Grand
> >> > <jpou...@gmail.com <mailto:jpou...@gmail.com>> a écrit :
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >> Hi Robert,
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >> I agree we need to make it more usable
> >> > before 8.0. I would also like to
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >> improve ReqOptSumScorer
> >> > (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-8204 
> >> > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-8204>)
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >> to leverage impacts so that queries that
> >> > incorporate queries on feature
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >> fields
> >> > (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-8197 
> >> > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-8197>) in an optional
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >> clause are also fast.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >> Le jeu. 21 juin 2018 à 03:06, Robert Muir
> >> > <rcm...@gmail.com <mailto:rcm...@gmail.com>> a écrit :
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> How can the end user actually use the
> >> > biggest new feature: impacts and
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> BMW? As far as I can tell, the issue to
> >> > actually implement the
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> necessary API changes
> >> > (IndexSearcher/TopDocs/etc) is still open and
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> unresolved, although there are some
> >> > interesting ideas on it. This
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> seems like a really big missing piece,
> >> > without a proper API, the stuff
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> is not really usable. I also can't 
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> imagine a
> >> > situation where the API
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> could be introduced in a followup minor
> >> > release because it would be
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> too invasive.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 1:19 PM, Adrien
> >> > Grand <jpou...@gmail.com <mailto:jpou...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > Hi all,
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > I would like to start discussing 
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > releasing
> >> > Lucene/Solr 8.0. Lucene 8
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > already
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > has some good changes around
> >> > scoring, notably cleanups to
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > similarities[1][2][3], indexing of
> >> > impacts[4], and an implementation of
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > Block-Max WAND[5] which, once
> >> > combined, allow to run queries faster
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > when
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > total hit counts are not requested.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > [1]
> >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-8116 
> >> > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-8116>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > [2]
> >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-8020 
> >> > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-8020>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > [3]
> >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-8007 
> >> > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-8007>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > [4]
> >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-4198 
> >> > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-4198>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > [5]
> >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-8135 
> >> > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-8135>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > In terms of bug fixes, there is also a
> >> > bad relevancy bug[6] which is
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > only in
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > 8.0 because it required a breaking
> >> > change[7] to be implemented.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > [6]
> >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-8031 
> >> > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-8031>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > [7]
> >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-8134 
> >> > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-8134>
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > As usual, doing a new major release
> >> > will also help age out old codecs,
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > which
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > in-turn make maintenance easier: 8.0
> >> > will no longer need to care about
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > the
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > fact that some codecs were initially
> >> > implemented with a random-access
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > API
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > for doc values, that pre-7.0 indices
> >> > encoded norms differently, or that
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > pre-6.2 indices could not record an
> >> > index sort.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > I also expect that we will come up 
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > with
> >> > ideas of things to do for 8.0
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > as we
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > feel that the next major is getting
> >> > closer. In terms of planning, I was
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > thinking that we could target 
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > something
> >> > like october 2018, which would
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > be
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > 12-13 months after 7.0 and 3-4 months
> >> > from now.
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > From a Solr perspective, the main
> >> > change I'm aware of that would be
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > worth
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > releasing a new major is the Star 
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > Burst
> >> > effort. Is it something we want
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > to
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > get in for 8.0?
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > Adrien
> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>
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