I'd be fine with option 2 but I have a slight preference for option 3.
If we see the Gradle build as the future default build, then we need
to start using it and I wonder that having to use a different workflow
on branch_8x would be an incentive to keep using the Ant build
instead.

On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 11:15 AM Cassandra Targett <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I’m fine with Option 2.
>
> Putting my project manager hat on, I’d really like to see a central list or 
> Jira issues of the things we want to make sure to do before we can turn off 
> Ant. The list/sub-tasks could be compiled after it’s merged to master, but it 
> would be nice if we could approach this in a coordinated way so we’re all 
> able to figure out quickly what remains - I think we’ll have a higher chance 
> of faster success that way. Hopefully also people would sign up for the 
> things that they will volunteer to drive to completion instead of hanging 
> back because they aren’t sure what needs to be done.
>
> Dawid and I worked on the Ref Guide transition to Gradle in a separate branch 
> and it’s either finished or very close to it IMO. It includes the PR I put up 
> last night to remove the PDF build tasks. I just need to merge it into the 
> main Gradle branch (jira/SOLR-13452_gradle_8), which I will try to do by 
> tomorrow.
>
> Cassandra
> On Nov 6, 2019, 3:07 PM -0600, David Smiley <[email protected]>, wrote:
>
> Option 2.
>
> ~ David Smiley
> Apache Lucene/Solr Search Developer
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwsmiley
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 12:36 PM Erick Erickson <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>>
>> All:
>>
>> re: SOLR-13452. I’m now coming down on both sides of the issue. My motive 
>> here is if this was pushed, even in its current incomplete state, people 
>> would have an easier time contributing to the effort. Of course this means I 
>> would be asking people to use the gradle build at least on master if at all 
>> possible.
>>
>> There are several assumptions I’m making here:
>>
>> - we can keep running the Ant build as long as necessary. Ant would be our 
>> primary build process. The purpose of pushing the current Gradle effort is 
>> to make it easier for others to contribute and “just try it”.
>>
>> - There are no conflicts between the Gradle and Ant builds, so we can 
>> continue to use Ant as necessary until we make the switch.
>>
>> - people will commit up front to putting some effort into this. I flat 
>> guarantee I won’t carry the load alone. If nobody else steps up, I’ll table 
>> it. I will volunteer to push fixes from non-committers.
>> — Yes, people can do this already with the gradle_8 branch, it’d just be 
>> easier if it was already in the pull.
>>
>> - moving to Gradle as our primary workflow won’t happen until we work out 
>> some of the kinks, things like.
>> — running on Jenkins.
>> — Getting the equivalent of “ant server dist” to run.
>> — Getting the ref guide built.
>> — I’m sure other things will crop up.
>>
>>
>> So there are several options, please let me know which one you prefer:
>>
>> 1. do nothing. People can check out the gradle_8 build and work on it. There 
>> has been some of this so far, many thanks.
>>
>> 2. merge it into master only. TBD is when we take Ant out of master.
>>
>> 3. merge into both master and 8x. Assuming we can continue to use both, I’m 
>> not sure what advantage there is to merging into 8x. This seems like 
>> something that should come along with a major version release.
>>
>> 4. wait until it’s feature-complete. Based on the evidence so far, this may 
>> be a long time coming.
>>
>> Also, the timing is fungible. I don’t see a downside as long as we can 
>> continue to build with Ant. I certainly _do_ see a downside if we have to do 
>> everything Ant does immediately after pushing to whatever branches.
>>
>> Erick
>>
>>
>>
>>
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