+1 Jason. Here's some context on how this came into being.
Users find it difficult to understand and create a basic schema when just trying out Solr. This mode was supposed to help them bootstrap, and one they had a better understanding of how things worked, they'd tune it before using the schema in production. This did improve the OTB experience for new users, but a lot of people abused this convenience and used this in production causing issues. As Jason mentioned, we'd better serve our users if we left this feature for the getting started experience and add warnings (in UI and responses?) so users would know what they are doing when they take this to production. This feature isn't trappy unless people use it in ways it was not intended to be used in. We just need to warn and educate people better. On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 10:41 AM Jason Gerlowski <gerlowsk...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Is anyone on this list using schemaless mode in production or have you > tried to? > > Schemaless mode is one of a group of Solr features present for > convenience but not intended for production usage. It's in the same > boat as "bin/post", and SolrCell, and others. These features do cause > headaches when users ignore the documented restrictions and use them > for more than prototyping. But at the same time they're super > valuable for these sort of demo-ing or getting-started use cases. An > easy getting-started experience is important, and schemaless et al > serve a mostly positive role in that. > > I think we'd better serve our users if we left schemaless > in/undeprecated, and instead focused on making it harder to > (unknowingly) use them in ways contrary to community recommendations. > Add louder warnings in the documentation (where not already present). > Add warnings to the Solr logs the first time these features are used. > Disable them by default (where that makes sense). Taken to the > extreme, we could even add a section into Solr's response that lists > non-production features used in serving a given request. > > There are lots of ways to address the "feature X is trappy" problem > without removing X together. > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 11:33 AM Marcus Eagan <marcusea...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Community, > > > > There are many of us that have had to deal with the pain of managing the > schemaless mode of operation in Solr. I'm curious to get others thoughts > about how well it is working for them and if they would like to continue to > use it. > > > > I for one don't think Schemaless works as intended and favor deprecating > it and replacing it with some more usable but I am sure others have > thoughts here. > > > > Is anyone on this list using schemaless mode in production or have you > tried to? > > > > A preliminary discussion has occurred in this Jira ticket: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-14701 > > > > Thank you all, > > > > Marcus Eagan > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org > > -- Anshum Gupta
