Interesting, I hadn't realized that was the approach taken.  I guess
that leads to a followup question:  on what basis does the ASF claim
copyright in the collected work?

 17 USC ยง 201 (c) says:
"In the absence of an express transfer of the copyright or of any
rights under it, the owner of copyright in the collective work is
presumed to have acquired only the privilege of reproducing and
distributing the contribution as part of that particular collective
work, any revision of that collective work, and any later collective
work in the same series."
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/201

This transfer does not seem to occur in the CLA or SGA.  Were there
additional documents I'm not recalling that explicitly transferred
this ownership?   Are these required for each project that carries the
ASF mandatory copywrite notice?

--nate

On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Joe Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote:
> ASF has copyright on the collected work known as Lucy. Individual authors 
> maintain copyright over their contributions.  In court it means a 
> transgressor may be sued by both parties.
>
> HTH
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 22, 2012, at 7:59 PM, Nathan Kurz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I have a simple non-urgent for-intellectual-curiosity-only copyright
>> question regarding Lucy:  who is the copyright holder for Lucy?
>>
>> In our NOTICE file, it says "Copyright 2010-2012 The Apache Software
>> Foundation", as required by the ASF guidelines:
>> http://apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#notice
>>
>> But in the Contributor License Agreement and Software Grant Agreement,
>> there appear to be only a grants of license rather than assignments of
>> copyright.
>>
>> http://apache.org/licenses/icla.txt
>> http://apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt
>>
>> The CLA defines "Contribution" as "any original work of authorship ...
>> that is intentionally submitted by You to the Foundation",  and the
>> SGA requires that the "Licensor owns or has sufficient rights to
>> contribute the software source code and other related intellectual
>> property", but as I read them, the legally binding clauses only refer
>> to granting of non-exclusive licenses.  No mention that I can see is
>> made of assigning copyright to the ASF.
>>
>> http://apache.org/licenses/icla.txt
>> http://apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt
>>
>> So:  is the ASF the copyright owner or a licensee?  That is, do they
>> have legal standing to seek remedy for license violations?
>>
>> I have no dog in this fight, but was confused by some comments on a
>> recent article describing the FSF copyright assignment requirements
>> where it was asserted that the ASF does have this requirement:
>> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4956998
>>
>> --nate

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