On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Sean Owen <[email protected]> wrote:

> I think I'm the biggest single contributor to Mahout over time (? was
> at one point), and so by extension Cloudera is. And this new project
> is all open source. Surely that's maximally "walking the walk" in
> these regards?
>

Absolutely not.

Cloudera's primary influence is to get you to ask to go emeritus, i.e. stop
contributing.

You have contributed in the past.  That's great.  And now you work for
Cloudera.


> Mahout has served well for a long time as measured in Hadoop-years --
> like 4+ years. It's still in usable life. I don't think the current
> state of the code means it's feasible to truly evolve it towards
> things like Hadoop 2, Spark, real-time.


I also disagree strongly here.


> That is to say, there are
> legitimate reasons to start forward from a new project with different
> goals.
>

Getting a paycheck is also a legitimate reason for you do this.  And it
should be recognized where the paycheck comes from and what is really going
on.


> CDH5 still supports Mahout for sure. Oryx will work on any Hadoop (2)
> distro. I hope there is no openness foul here.
>

Well, I think that it is a hypocrisy fail going on.  I get criticized all
the time by Cloudera employees for "not being open".  And now the shoe is
on the other foot where Cloudera decides it is better to not contribute to
an existing open source project and, indeed, even hires away a key
developer of same.

The only foul is not calling out the situation for what it is.

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