On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 16:27 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: 
> Jacqueline McNally wrote:
> > I see no point in responding to the antagonism, sarcasm and caustic tone
> > in the previous post.
> 
> Which previous post? Surely not the one from Daniel that you
> quoted at the bottom of your note, nor the previous one in the 
> thread, which was from Ryan Singer.
> 
> I can see no trace of "antagonism, sarcasm and caustic tone" in 
> either of these notes, nor the one from Bernhard Dippold, the 
> next previous one in the thread, nor any of the others, with two 
> exceptions...

I have to concur. What's with all the paranoia? Surely the collective
aim is to promote OOo? Ok, we will disagree sometimes on the best way to
do it and the project leads are going to have to accept that volunteers
will sometimes/often make their own judgements about the best place to
put their resources. After all, no-one is actually paying anyone to take
on the "marketing plan" or attendance at any particular show so why
expect anything different? This is a volunteer project, its not a
corporate with employment contracts. Different people are going to like
different styles of working, that is just something we have to live
with. The leadership skill is in getting people to do what you want them
to do. In my experience, encouragement is far more effective than saying
no. Trying to control resources that you don't own is not likely to be
helped with coersive tactics or reactionary responses. The project does
not own the community, the community owns the project. Its a difficult
job providing leadership in this setting and the leads will take some
flack from time to time, that goes with the job, but let's all try to be
sensitive to the fact that many of them are volunteers too. 

The fact that Ryan's proposal to attend DLS has caused such a storm is
nothing short of astonishing. Why is it seen as such a threat to OOo for
the Marcon in an area to propose going to a local show especially when
there is no specific cost implication to anyone else? How appropriate is
it for the one person who is paid and not a volunteer to veto the
suggestion unilaterally? Then to change his mind and decide its a matter
for the Community Council entirely bypassing the leadership of the
marketing project? All this seems to me to be a complete over-reaction.
As a rule of thumb, let people get on with it and encourage them. Only
say no if it really, really is going to do harm to getting OOo out
there. In such circumstances people will generally listen to the reasons
why. Let's get away from personal invective and concentrate on
increasing the take up of OOo and just accept that its not possible to
centrally control a volunteer community that is more rooted in the
anarchy of the bazaar than the hierarchy of the cathedral.

Regards,
-- 
Ian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
ZMS Ltd


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