On Wed, 2006-02-01 at 22:10 +0100, Steven Pauwels wrote:

> >And, again, I feel that your attack on Otto and on Ian's statements as being
> >very anti-marketing are uncalled for and wrong.  First of all, that page is
> >not meant as a marketing tool - your example of it being like a window
> >display is faulty - it's more like it's a tool in the back office - not
> >something for the window display.  I mean, I would never eat at a restaurant
> >if their window showed their dish washing room.  Even though the dish room
> >is important, and I want a restaraunt to have one, it's not meant for public
> >viewing, and isn't appealing to look at.  Now, I don't think Otto or that
> >page is a dish room, but hopefully, you get the idea.
> >  
> >
> The OOo website IS a 'shop-window' for OOo.

Well the first page and direct links are perhaps, I'd say that further
down it gets well away from the shop window. In fact, Chad is right
about Otto in that it was a news item that got heavily discussed at the
time and probably got us as much global publicity as anything ever has
because of the controversy. However the old Otto image probably should
be removed but I have no commit rights to do it. If you can improve the
education pages or want to remove them sign a JCA and get commit rights
from Louis and be my guest. I simply don't have time to do it myself and
in my view there are much higher priorities.Btw, if you don't like Otto
on the OOo site don't go to Nicu's cartoon site at
http://ooo.nicubunu.ro/otto/ ;-)


>  It is on the website and as 
> you correctly point out: it's lore like it's a tool in the back office' 
> and thus saying exactly what I am syaing: that is where it should be. 
> But it isn't...
> 
> So you don't mind that you have to walk trough the dish room when you 
> want to eat in that restaurant? ;-) I get your point.

Thing is I very much doubt many people would be browsing the web site
and stumble across the school pages. That is another reason why I'm not
highly motivated to spend a lot of time on it. BTW, we do sell OTTO
badges to primary schools for kids that do good work. We plan to set up
an Otto's club with E-learning stuff for kids but not as part of the OOo
site because it will probably involve using Moodle and a whole other set
of things that would make it difficult to implement on the main site.
Also these things will need resources to sustain them so I'm working on
ways of doing that too. 

> >If the whole point of your email was to illustrate the need for multiple
> >website, then I agree with your goal.  But I do not agree with many of the
> >things you said in getting to that point.

-- 
Ian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
ZMS Ltd

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