Hi,
Ian Lynch wrote:
On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 23:44 +0200, Cristian Driga wrote:
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http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page
Or at least a very obvious link to a wiki where I can see its possible
to immediately get started.
I am sure all these can be done once we have carrefully planned and
setup a section for MP in it. Even getting an URL (using frames or
simple redirection) like http://marketing.openoffice.org/wiki is possible.
<snip>
I'm just asking questions. It might be that its not sensible to move
everything but asking the question should focus on what can be moved and
what shoud stay. Otherwise stuff migrates in a haphazard way without any
real rationale as to why its in one place or another.
As I said, I would rely on the OOo servers for storing final versions of
everything. Wiki should be for the texts, lists, etc that evolve untill
they reach final versions. Of course everything that goes in the wiki
should be carrefully planned.
<snip>
To me
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page could only be found
from a link if I knew where to look for it. I'm no web developer but I
am an experienced user and if I find this a problem I'm sure 90% of
potential volunteers will.
As I said above, this can be easily fixed once we have a clear picture
of how the wiki can be used better for accomplishing the mission of the
project. I see no problem here.
<snip>
Yes. The strategic marketing pan is about getting increased take up of
OOo. This planning is about internal management of the project so its a
different thing altogether and we should not confuse the two things at
this point.
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No confusion here. But they are pretty much tied up together in the
final results as you said.
The step we are at is "integrating the wiki in the process" and
adjusting workflows accordingly to take advantage of this direct
contribution tool.
I do not deny other aspects that I have not mentioned, BUT:
We should keep it simple (KISS) and go one step at a time if we really
want to succeed. In the same time we can maintain a wishlist with the
others and prioritize.
The identified problem is barriers to contribution and the proposed
solution is to extend the wiki. I would start off by saying that a link
to the wiki should be central and very obvious on the main marketing
page on the web site.
Sure, first extending (I'd say setting up the MP section in the wiki),
then linking it once the usage process is clear.
Alternatively all the links that lead to things
like logos etc should go to the relevant wiki pages where people can
simply up load contributions and edit things.
Better use the existing upload facilities on the website, including
publishing the graphical files in CVS rather than on the wiki's hard
drive if we do not want it rendered offline due to lack of HDD space or
bandwidth consumption if everything, including google.com link there.
Especially for graphics the amount of Mbytes is huge. If you look at the
Art wiki tables, the preferred method is uploading in IZ or documents
section on the main site and putting the link in wiki. After they are
placed in CVS, the links are edited accordingly. This should not be too
hard to accomplish with proper instructions by any user.
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I think that would be good, but it would also be good if MP members were
able to give you some guidance on headings and structure - as much to
get collective ownership over the decision making as anything else.
Hey, we are talking here about a wiki. :)
But we also need some basic rules of contributing to it so that we keep
things coherent. Otherwise in less than a year we'll have discussions
about needing another one or some other form of cms as the wiki has
become bloated and hard to understand what is where in it.
ALSO: A key ingredient is the responsibility of the lists members.
As long as a question like "Is my text about (say) logo licensing from
the wiki complete ? Do you have other suggestions ?" does not end up in
flames about something else, thus never reaching a decision, things
should go well. Same with calls for help on a certain agreed ToDo item
ending up in the same manner. Without this, not even a thousand wikis or
separate websites will not help.
Will think it over the weekend and we will start a separate thread on
these things and get other's input as well. I am also waiting for John's
input in all this so far and hopefully Jacqueline's as soon as she well
be back on the list.
Best,
Cristian ~trying to look confident~ Driga
:-)
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