Hi Andreas,

Le 11 janv. 08 à 00:28, andreas gruenwald a écrit :

Dear OpenOffice Team,

I wonder about postings about resource shortage and allocation to something else in the development mailing list for the mac aqua port
regarding a delay to version 3.

During last Mac OS X IRC meeting, it was decided to provide a new development snapshot, for 2.4.x

Was announced on Planet too.



Did Sun realize the increase in apple mac sales and popularity?

I'm glad to read what I wrote since years. In fact, there are two things. Sun corp, and Sun Engineers.

The first category probably didn't understand really, but I don't have more infos. I now can say, we received more help from Apple than from Sun corp :-)


The second category, the engineers, was great: they helped a lot the beginners we were, and the work they did was fantastic, you can believe me.

Now, if 3.0 is needed to achieve the work, there is a good reason : there is no other way to provide a good port than doing things seriously. And this needs time.


... and here come the Mac users: instead of help OpenOffice.org project, they helped another project, you mention below.
Believe me or not, but we didn't receive help from the Mac users.

Shaun McDonald, who replaced me as Mac OS X port Lead, can confirm things didn't change.

BTW: the Mac OS X port project does not even exist officially in the listed projects on the site ! ( a proof something is wrong somewhere ... )


Some companies had been already late in Linux and open source on servers. Apple was always pioneering new technologies in the market. Their customers are the trendsetter best described in Malcolm Gladwells book "the tipping point".


X11 on mac is a hurdle, printing is a surprise regarding colors, shortcuts are Unix like and the look is rough.

We'd accept your patch(es) with great pleasure  :)

Don't foget: OpenOffice.org project is a free software project, and the secret is: do it yourself.


That's the reason why, 3 funny people like Eric Hoch, Florian Heckl and myself, started to believe to a Mac OS X port 3 years ago. This year, I can tell you it will become true. Thanks to all Sun engineers who helped us.


I really do appreciate Open Office and the undergoing development of a bibliography functional for every day scientific publishing. Microsoft
Office was not really stable on my previous powerbook, now I use
NeoOffice an a Intel Macbook.

Please read above: doing that, you don't really help OpenOffice.org project, just a fork, not really contributing in return.


Beside a native mac port I consider the educational and university system a good starting point to delight more users with the overall
very usable and stable OO suite, resp. Sun StarOffice.

As Education project Co Lead, I just can invite you to join Education project : more we have members, more strong we will be !!


In other words: with limited power and resources the way to spread innovations is the snowball pattern;-) Ordinary consumer trust the advice of experts in their circle of friends but are shy to leave the MS dictatorship on their own.


The amount of resources and the quality are not necessary correlated. As example, I'd suggest you an interesting article to be read ( don't feed the troll, but analyze the comments, extremely rich and interesting instead) : http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/2006/11/ windows-shutdown-crapfest.html

You will discover too much people, and / or too complicated can be counterproductive too.

But the fact is, and you're right with that, OpenOffice.org project does not count enough developers.


I'll do some pub for Education project, since this is one Education project objective to find more ;-)

The idea is simple: find peers teachers/students learning how contribute, and writing either a peice of code, or an extension, or helping Qa or whatever.

Be sure, if we fond applications, Mac OS X project will have some "priority" ;-)


Only this will change the world of Office suites, and if you want to help us, please forward the info:

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project/Welcome_en


Regards,
Eric Bachard



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