Create a new topic since these seemed a much different topic than the original.
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Florian Effenberger <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Christine, Christine Louise Beems wrote on 2010-01-21 15.52:My intention would be: <> To fund all the requests which have already been submitted exactly the same way (by the same decision-making process) that such requests have previously (traditionally, historically) been funded. This of course would include allocating funding for the annual conference and anything else that anyone already has on the calendar -- whether it is for next week or next year :-)
This makes sense, specially where like you said, people plan to repeat to go to the first event. For example, FOSDEM, CEBIT, OSWC, are huge events that people seems to come back to.
<> To suspend decisions about all other requests until a (comfortable) funding policy is developed.
Well I am not sure why one has to do with the other. I mean, is not like decision makers have to stop to make decisions while they work on a proposal. But we have 4 decision makers, I am sure delegation shouldnt be a problem.
ok, I see. That's basically what we do at the moment, I guess. Traditionally, marketing funding requests are two different items: costs for travels, mostly to trade shows or own events, and costs for collaterals. Every once in a while, there's a meeting, but that's it.
I have asked myself that question earlier last year where there is really no clear criteria to mention what to fund. There were ideas that could expand the concept fo funding events however they were rapidly isolated and treated like a "special request" rather than focusing on a policy making framework.
However, I'd like to be faster than 6 months. 2010 will be an exciting and demanding year, and we might need funding for "new" types of requests, so the more effective and thus sooner we can work on the policies, the better it is.
I think that transparency of accountability is key, there were some efforts in that regard on the budget for development and other ones, which also don't seem to have a clear vision of what they are funding and a criteria to fund such things.
We have a fixed framework that is documented at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Funding_And_Budgets and, together with my budget authorizers, I'd love to come up with some details on how this could work for marketing. Hope to have a draft to share soon.
Wasn't John the budget holder, or is that being change now?
<> Is there a global calendar of all OOo-funded activities?Not yet. Louis tried to collect various events, but is not done yet -- it is, however, planned to have it public asap.
I really dont see what or wheere is the problem here, I gave Louis a good list just a few days after he request it and then he just drop the ball or went completely silent on it. I think this should be developed on the open either in the ML or wiki. But I dont under that "plan to get public asap". Why is not public now? Why it needed to go private? Also it has been more than half a year since he request it, what exactly is the big hold?In my opinion, the list I submited IS the list... if Louis wants to add /remove something, he can do it on the ML. On a different note I expect much more new events to fund this year specially for NLC and others. Important question is if Marketing will be the event that funds all meetings. NLC don't have a budget and is 50% of the community. If the OOo Groups start picking up like the Scandinavian one or the North America, meetings will need to be created and funding will be needed.
Again a decision would need to be made if this is a marketing, development or infrastructure spense?
<> If yes, is it easily updateable by the volunteer?That depends on how and where we publish it. Anyway, the volunteer can ask the responsible maintainer to update it on his/her behalf.
The way I see it, there are two levels of to see it, it could be a Global Marketing decision or a NLC marketing decision. For example Cebit is a very local european event that dont benefit marketing wise to OOoES for example, yet is very important to OOo DE. However OSWC and Latinoware is very important for OOoES community but not as important to the whole OOo.
<> If yes, is posting a comprehensive announcement to that calendar a requirement of receiving funds?The basic principle on how funding requests work is documented at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Funding_And_Budgets -- basically, the budget holder (me) has to agree to it first and then one of the budget authorizers (John, Cor, Italo) have to support it. Opinions of either marcon@ or d...@marketing are considered during this process.
I don't think that this has proven very efficient in the past because the requests have been basically the same but the questioning had vary a lot from one to the other by the bdget authorizers. To prevent this, I would consider writing down what are the basic requisit when consider a funding for traveling, and a seperate one on budgeting for events. Also the funding cap are very irrelevant with reality (I think it was 300), this is great for Europe, not so great for America. Traveling cost varies widely in Europe since they have cheap budget airlines while the options are largely limited in North and South America (still not sure about Asia but my guess is that it is).
I would not make it mandatory to have the event in the calendar, but it of course would be nice to have such a global calendar.
I think you can start by adopting the one I sent to louis and assign a space on the wiki.
Florian
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