Alexandro Colorado wrote:
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:37 AM, Peter Junge <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Alexandro,
Alexandro Colorado wrote:
Hi I want to ask the budget commitee for 500 dls for expenses to
SCALEx9. I want to put the petition even if SCALE still have not
finished the CFP. I submitted a couple of talks and I am still waiting
for the final approval. However budget processes have been a bit slow
lately so I want to put an early petition here.
maybe the processes are slow because you are sending your request
recurrently to the wrong address. AFAIR, Florian had mentioned this many
times. A budget request has to raised with the budget custodian, which is
currently me. Mailing lists are welcome to be CCed, but it's not mandatory.
Last year I participated with a lightning talk on OOo4Kids which you
can watch here: http://jza.blip.tv/file/3261755/
After the talk I got to talk with the core organizers which were
interested into expanding the participation for communities such as
OOo in the US. And geared me to participate next year with a wider
talk about OOo/ODF etc. This year I am giving a talk on ODF with an
OpenGovernment angle, targeting the success stories gather from South
America and Europe.
If we fund you to attend the SCALEx9, we have to make sure that you are
still with OOo. I had a look at the ES project at the OOo website and I have
to say, that there are a couple of issues puzzling me, hence I want to raise
some concerns:
Firstly, the design of http://es.openoffice.org/ is not as it should be with
OOo. Usually one finds the main project links such as member list, mailing
lists etc., but they are hidden. They only becoming visible after moving on
to "Conoce OOo" or "Servicios". Being there, I have been having a look at
"Comunidad::Listas de Correos" and got really irritated.
(http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html) The OOo mailing lists have
apparently been dropped in preference of other mailing lists hosted as
http://oooes.org/. I'm not in favor for such a solution, but it might still
be a agreement of the community. However, the worst problem for me is, that
the OOo mailing list archives are not reachable from this point. IMHO,
that's totally inappropriate. Even more confusing is, that the d...@es
mailing list still seems to have significant traffic, see:
http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=dev
Can you please comment my above observations.
Secondly, I have been visiting http://oooes.org/ then. It promotes both OOo
and LibreOffice, which many here see as a competing product and community.
So, if you are going to attend the SCALEx9 on behalf and the expenses of
OOo, will yo exclusively promote OOo or will you promote the whole
ecosystem? The flow chart (http://oooes.org/images/interacciones-oooes.png)
on the main page looks a bit like OOoES is closer tight to the TDF and LibO,
rather than OOo. (BTW, the way OOoES is using the new OOo logo is IMHO
against the guidelines.)
$500 would allow me to partially pay for my travel expenses. I would
still need to chip from my own money to pay for hotel.
Please comment on the above concerns before we proceed.
I am not sure, this is a oooES issue at all, nor was intervention at
SCALE last year. There is no business for the spanish NLC in the US.
The problem I have with oooES is that it seems to build a parallel
universe to OOo. As I said before, the oooES project (I assume you are
one of the persons in charge) is using the mailing list page of the ES
project to detour users, while the native mailing lists are blanked out
although they are still active.
Last year I was promoting the projects of the Education Project, being
ooo4kids. This year it will be a more technical approach than last
year -- hopefully. I dont think I ever pushed ES NLC as you might see
on the discussion from last year budget request between Cor and myself
nor on the video from the talk. So to answer your question, I probably
won't be pushing the spanish NLC at any point of the conference.
My concern is, that you seem to leave OOo to do your own thing with
OOoES. Hence, what would be the interest of OOo to be funding you?
Would be great if others could comment on this, especially those from
the ES project. Of course, my POV may be wrong as I'm only taking an
outside view.
About the changes that you see, well most of them have been taken from
a community consensus on what is best for the contributors. I am not
sure if this concerns marketing project, since I really never seen the
marketing project as an auditor for what NLC groups do or dont do. I
am confused, can you please explain?
Maybe it's not apparent, but the Marketing Project is insofar concerned
and an auditor --not for the NLCs, but for e.g. you-- as travel funding
are coming from the Marketing budget.
Best regards,
Peter
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