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Romain, that link in Resolver means that our Provider has transitive
dependencies. This Surefire's Platform Provider + it's dependencies. Not
the JUnit5's provider.
Adding engine with another version makes sense to me in current situation.
It's similar to what we are doing when we add junit:junit:4.12.
My question is whether the Engine should have scope=provided in Surefire's
Provider in the future and the user is forced to add it anyway in his POM.

On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 9:16 AM Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Me too but
>
> https://github.com/apache/maven-surefire/blob/d88ce541f3ba78a12422bdfa35c98cfb5783f9ea/maven-surefire-common/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/plugin/surefire/SurefireDependencyResolver.java#L142
> only handles a single artifact whereas junit5 relies on N > 1 artifacts for
> its stack.
>
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> Le mer. 5 sept. 2018 à 08:23, Dan Tran <dant...@gmail.com> a écrit :
>
> > " surefire provider forces 1.2.0" this is not good :-)  i thought
> surefire
> > auto detect first one available in classpath
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:06 PM Romain Manni-Bucau <
> rmannibu...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > jupiter ;)
> > >
> > > junit 5 is not jupiter but platform+ engine*s* so it must detect the
> full
> > > stack and not just the default. A first step can be to detect
> > > platform+jupiter+engine but I guess we will get spock, cucumber etc
> > engine
> > > quickly so being generic can be worth it. In my case I have
> > vintage-engine
> > > - cause i have junit4 and junit5 extensions and it is broken cause
> > vintage
> > > uses platform method of the 1.3.0 and the surefire provider forces
> 1.2.0.
> > >
> > > In my proposal, the project dependencies (likely scope test on user
> side
> > or
> > > compile for engine/extension writers) is used and the plugin can
> > > override/force some dependencies if needed. Alternative surefire could
> > get
> > > a specific config for that, not sure it does worth it.
> > >
> > > Hope it is clearer.
> > >
> > > Romain Manni-Bucau
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> > >
> > >
> > > Le mer. 5 sept. 2018 à 07:41, Dan Tran <dant...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> > >
> > > > Odd, I am under impression  surefire auto detect
> junit-jupiter-engine
> > > at
> > > > runtime
> > > >
> > > > am I missing something?
> > > >
> > > > -D
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 10:08 PM Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > rmannibu...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It does _NOT_ work and as mentionned you can test on meecrowave
> > trying
> > > to
> > > > > upgrade the version in junit module.
> > > > >
> > > > > The test classpath build ignores project and plugin dependencies.
> It
> > > > faked
> > > > > working until 5.3.0-RC1 cause no breakage was visible.
> > > > >
> > > > > When testing, dont forget to use jupiter, vintage engines +
> platform
> > > > stack,
> > > > > otherwise code is compatible with 1.2 which gets loaded. The doc
> > > ignores
> > > > > the platform and vintage engine and guess it was not tested at all
> > > > checking
> > > > > the code ;). Not a big deal since it is a "first" release but we
> > should
> > > > be
> > > > > ablz to get it fixed quickly.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Le mar. 4 sept. 2018 23:51, Olivier Lamy <ol...@apache.org> a
> écrit
> > :
> > > > >
> > > > > > Ok perso I don't mind (it just need to be documented)
> > > > > > But the issue is: users are used to simply upgrade their junit
> > > > > dependency.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, 5 Sep 2018 at 07:37, Christian Stein <sormu...@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > No, it works with Surefire 2.22.0 and JUnit 5.3.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just add (or move) the test-runtime dependencies to the
> Surefire
> > > > plugin
> > > > > > > element:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <build>
> > > > > > >    <plugins>
> > > > > > >       <!-- JUnit 5 requires Surefire version 2.22.0 or higher
> -->
> > > > > > >       <plugin>
> > > > > > >          <artifactId>maven-surefire-plugin</artifactId>
> > > > > > >          <version>2.22.0</version>
> > > > > > >          <dependencies>
> > > > > > >                    <dependency>
> > > > > > >                        <groupId>org.junit.jupiter</groupId>
> > > > > > >
> > > <artifactId>junit-jupiter-engine</artifactId>
> > > > > > >                        <version>5.3.0</version>
> > > > > > >                    </dependency>
> > > > > > >          </dependencies>
> > > > > > >       </plugin>
> > > > > > >    </plugins>
> > > > > > > </build>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just checking our sample builds over at JUnit 5. Which do _NOT_
> > do
> > > > this
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > > the moment.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:32 PM Olivier Lamy <ol...@apache.org
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi
> > > > > > > > very embarrassing issue which probably worth a quick release!
> > > > > > > > Can you create a jira?
> > > > > > > > As junit 5.3.0 has just been released,  I might be happy to
> cut
> > > > > 2.22.1
> > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > quickly with only this fix.
> > > > > > > > others wdyt?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, 5 Sep 2018 at 06:46, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > > rmannibu...@gmail.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi guys,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Jira seems down so sending a mail.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I wanted to upgrade Meecrowave to JUnit 5.3 since it is out
> > > but I
> > > > > > > > realized
> > > > > > > > > the way surefire provider was developped for JUnit 5 was
> > > forcing
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > junit-platform-engine even adding it manually in the test
> > > > > > dependencies
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > plugin dependencies.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Side note: I didn't investigated other providers but I
> guess
> > it
> > > > is
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > exact same but the API breakage are happening less often.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I therefore created a PR to fix that ->
> > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/maven-surefire/pull/193
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Note: I didn't upgrade the JUnit 5 version in the same
> > release
> > > > but
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > should probably be done too in another commit/PR.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I wonder if you have release plans which could include
> this.
> > In
> > > > > terms
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > issues I have in mind the other thing about JUnit 5 which
> > would
> > > > be
> > > > > > > great
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > add is the support for display names instead of using the
> > > > > class+test
> > > > > > > > names
> > > > > > > > > in the logs and reports but this is less mandatory than
> > > previous
> > > > > one
> > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > fails with a NoSuchMethod error when using vintage engine.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Romain Manni-Bucau
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