Le ven. 17 juil. 2020 à 00:03, Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.bout...@free.fr> a écrit :
> Le jeudi 16 juillet 2020, 07:50:52 CEST Romain Manni-Bucau a écrit : > > Le jeu. 16 juil. 2020 à 00:09, Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.bout...@free.fr> a > > > > écrit : > > > Le mardi 14 juillet 2020, 20:36:38 CEST Romain Manni-Bucau a écrit : > > > > Le mar. 14 juil. 2020 à 20:01, Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.bout...@free.fr> > a > > > > > > > > écrit : > > > > > in this example, you strictly define a new "my-mapping" packaging, > > > > > like > > > > > done in Maven core for every default packagings [1] with > documentation > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > [2]: don't call it bindings, but simply "packaging-bindings.xml" > and > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > more clear > > > > > > > > Nop, the packaging is declined in a lifecycle implicitly (which > enables > > > > > > to > > > > > > > do "mvn my-test") otherwise it wouldn't work with just a packaging. > > > > > > uh, a trick :/ > > > is it different from full lifecycle definition with plugin bindings, > like > > > site and clean lifecycles? > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/maven/blob/master/maven-core/src/main/resources/ > > > META-INF/plexus/components.xml#L66 > > Yep, can work too but I'd like to avoid duplicating what can be and > > lifecycle was not matching that well. > I don't get what "mvn my-test" means: there is no "my-test" phase > and I don't understand how your custom lifecycle shares some phases with > default lifecycle, but has some specific ones: I fear there will be > conflicts > There is a my-test in the custom binding defined in the sample. In current flavor it replaces default one so no issue. > > > Maybe it needs a new "config API" (<phase ... default="true">....</>?). > > Let's keep the config part for the end, this one is important but not > > structural IMHO. > > > > > > > the more I think about it, the more I feel that what we need is > > > > > pluginManagement and eventually plugins import, like we did in the > > > > > past > > > > > for > > > > > dependencyManagement [3] > > > > > > > > > > This would permit: > > > > > - to import plugins versions form an external source, > > > > > - share plugins configurations and executions either in the > reactor, > > > > > either from outside > > > > > > > > > > I still don't know if this import should be triggered as a > > > > > dependencyManagement scope, like "import" scope was added > > > > > > > > Well, yes and no because it still relies on the inheritance compared > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > composition which keeps the big drawback to easily break (just add a > new > > > > module needing something a little bit different, or just try to > exclude > > > > > > one > > > > > > > of the plugins automatically imported - it is in dependency model but > > > > not > > > > in plugin one). > > > > > > inheritance? no, aggregation: the plugin or pluginManagement import > can be > > > done by aggregation in any POM, not through parent > > > > Hmm, you assume users will define a pom per lifecycle/binding whereas it > > defeats the fact to not create any fake module, no? > I don't understand what you mean by "per lifecycle/binding": a pom will be > defined per series of plugins executions that are expected to be able to > be > composed > > and it's not a "fake" module: it's a module to define the "series of > plugins > executions that are expected to be able to be composed > yes, it's not a pure internal module, not producing by itself any code > compilation > Ok, then it defeats one of the original goal (to not modify the reactor and add a module on the critical path of the project). > > > So IMHO this is not an option for one of the original goals to not modify > > the user reactor. > there is a goal to not modify the user reactor? why? > Cause: 1. it slows down the overall build significatively compared to an extension 2. it makes the project more noisy in all env (console can be ok but IDE too - don't think 1 module project but ~30 modules ones, if you add 5 modules for that, it is a lot of noise for nothing) 3. keep in mind we enrich maven setup so we inject something already "built" virtually, we don't need to be in the build itself 4. from a design perspective, it is not part of the build so shouldn't be there 5. it shouldn't be installed + deployed and it shouldn't require to fake the distribution management to something like target > to me, the goal was to avoid copy/pasting in multiple POM a common build > aspect that should be defined once and injected by composition when needed > I don't see which issue if the definition defined once requires a pom > > > > > > > It would also require to be able to import a chain of plugins and not > > > > > > just > > > > > > > a plugin from a management block or all plugin from the same block > (as > > > > > > done > > > > > > > with the packaging in the sample), otherwise you are back to > redefining > > > > > > all > > > > > > > plugins in your new module or to be forced to define a new parent to > > > > isolate the children from this shared declarations. > > > > > > plugin import would import every plugin from the imported POM: no > > > per-plugin import > > > > > > > I'm also not sure how you would merge plugins (let say I import > > > > frontend-plugins and java-plugins, how do I define their order in > main > > > > > > and > > > > > > > test phases)? Back to the lifecycle merge issue, no? > > > > > > I still don't see any issue here, but just choice of phases that match > > > required order > > > > if your import 1 is: front:run[phase compile] front:test[phase test] > > if your import 2 is: java:compile[phase compile] java:test[phase test] > > > > How do I make the complete lifecycle be: java:compile front:run > front:test > > java:test ? > the fact that we need more phases is another issue: I was not trying to > solve > that one, that is IMHO completely orthogonal to the build composition > objective > of course, mixing build composition and additional phases brings a lot of > power > Yes and no. Yes cause technically you are right - but see you start stacking solutions instead of having one and since it is user facing it sounds wrong and overcomplex. No because as an user you don't care there are bindings, lifecycles and packaging, you only care about your build graph, anything outside this primary concept is internal and shouldn't be exposed (in the extension). > > > > > > > So it can be about defining a new <lifecycleManagement> section > > > > > > containing > > > > > > > this mix of packaging+binding definition (the overlap is certain so > we > > > > shouldnt force to define both IMHO) but it also means waiting for > > > > another > > > > major and does not change much the design which is about being able > to > > > > define a new binding+packaging. The part which can be smoother > though is > > > > the fact to patch an existing packaging even if I'm not yet seeing it > > > > working. > > > > The more I'm thinking about it, more I think the patch option is > about > > > > defining edges of the build graph (frontend:npm-build "runs after" > > > > "process-classes" for example) > > > > > > patching will require to define the language or configuration to set > the > > > order: not sure it is reasonable > > > > > > > whereas the packaging+binding option is > > > > about defining the global graph (of one new module type) explicitly. > > > > > > you're defining a new lifecycle with its plugin bindings: let's call it > > > like it is, please > > > your extension is about being able to do it directly in reactor, > instead > > > of creating an extension in a separate build > > > > Yep + avoid the packaging (was not explicit but adding a "build" module > to > > the reactor was would down the build too much if not diff well enough and > > would add a reactor on the critical path for concurrent builds, don't > think > > it id desired so the fully configured and exploded solution is likely > > desired) > > > > > > > Or if we could do something at dependencyManagement and/or > dependency > > > > > level. > > > > > Given "extensions" is a boolean represented as a String (for > > > > > > inheritance > > > > > > > > reasons), why not use this String to have support > > > > > <extensions>import</extensions> that imports content? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Hervé > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > https://maven.apache.org/ref/3.6.3/maven-core/default-bindings.html > > > > > > > > [2] > > > > > > https://maven.apache.org/ref/3.6.3/maven-core/default-bindings.html > > > > > > > > [3] > > > > > > https://maven.apache.org/ref/3.6.3/maven-core/default-bindings.html > > > > > > > > Le dimanche 12 juillet 2020, 19:27:28 CEST Romain Manni-Bucau a > écrit > : > > > > > > Just to illustrate the proposal - likely to rework on config > side to > > > > > > > > > > avoid > > > > > > > > > > > to kind of expose maven IoC (as we were playing with application > > > > > > contexts > > > > > > 10 years ago ;)) here is a small repo: > > > > > > https://github.com/rmannibucau/custom-lifecycle-extension. > > > > > > > > > > > > A sample project ([1]) defines a custom packaging ([2]) which > takes > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > definition in mappings.xml ([3]). This sample just renames some > > > > > > phase > > > > > > and > > > > > > replace one plugin by another for demo purposes but it is what I > had > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > mind to give the user enough flexibility for its build. > > > > > > A complete alternative which works too - = achieves the same > goal - > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > enable the user to define the build chain somewhere (like > <plugins> > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > order is the straight definition order for example) and autowire > > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > as expected through an extension to avoid all the headaches > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > the inheritance and other indirections making the pom execution > hard > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > follow. The issue with this one is to lose the aliasing feature. > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > https://github.com/rmannibucau/custom-lifecycle-extension/tree/master/samp > > > > > > > > le> > > > > > > > > > > > [2] > > > > > > > https://github.com/rmannibucau/custom-lifecycle-extension/blob/master/samp > > > > > > > > le> > > > > > > > > > > > /pom.xml#L10 [3] > > > > > > > https://github.com/rmannibucau/custom-lifecycle-extension/blob/master/samp > > > > > > > > le> > > > > > > > > > > > /.extensions/custom/mappings.xml > > > > > > > > > > > > Romain Manni-Bucau > > > > > > @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog > > > > > > <https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog > > > > > > <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github < > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/rmannibucau> > > > > > > > > > > > | LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Book > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > https://www.packtpub.com/application-development/java-ee-8-high-performanc > > > > > > > > e > > > > > > > > > > > Le dim. 12 juil. 2020 à 18:10, Romain Manni-Bucau > > > > > > <rmannibu...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > écrit : > > > > > > > Side topic - still thinking out loud - which is also covered by > > > > > > custom > > > > > > > > > > lifecycles: aliases. A common need is to alias a complex > command > > > > > > ("mvn > > > > > > > > > > docker" executing "mvn dependency:build-classpath > > > > > > git-commit:generate > > > > > > > > > > docker:bundle docker-java:cds" to give an idea), with default > or > > > > > > > merged > > > > > > > lifecycles it is hard to make relevant. Indeed, an option is a > > > > > > custom > > > > > > > > > > plugin or extension reading aliases somewhere and hacking > > > > > > > > > > lifecycleStater > > > > > > > > > > > > to stash/pop the real goal to execute it, works but is a > > > > > > > workaround > > > > > > > whereas > > > > > > > custom lifecycle gives a proper solution to that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I'm unsure today is if the custom lifecycle must be fully > > > > > > > > > > explicit or > > > > > > > > > > > > can insert phases and goals in an existing lifecycle ("patch > > > > > > mode"), > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > sure what is the simplest for users. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Romain Manni-Bucau > > > > > > > @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog > > > > > > > <https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog > > > > > > > <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github > > > > > > > <https://github.com/rmannibucau> | LinkedIn > > > > > > > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Book > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > https://www.packtpub.com/application-development/java-ee-8-high-performan > > > > > > > > > > ce> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le dim. 12 juil. 2020 à 11:58, Romain Manni-Bucau < > > > > > > > > > > rmannibu...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > a écrit : > > > > > > >> Le dim. 12 juil. 2020 à 11:26, Hervé BOUTEMY < > > > > > > herve.bout...@free.fr> > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > >> écrit : > > > > > > >>> Le dimanche 12 juillet 2020, 10:37:36 CEST Romain > Manni-Bucau a > > > > > > > > > > écrit : > > > > > > >>> > Le sam. 11 juil. 2020 à 23:01, Hervé BOUTEMY < > > > > > > > > > > herve.bout...@free.fr> a > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > écrit : > > > > > > >>> > > Le samedi 11 juillet 2020, 12:55:37 CEST Romain > Manni-Bucau > > > > > > >>> > > a > > > > > > > > > > écrit : > > > > > > >>> > > > Le sam. 11 juil. 2020 à 12:09, Hervé BOUTEMY < > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> herve.bout...@free.fr> a > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > écrit : > > > > > > >>> > > > > are really your plugin bindings so specific to your > > > > > > >>> > > > > build > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > >>> they > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > could > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > not be reused and need full ad-hoc definition? > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Think so > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > I imagined to provide composite packaging: > > > > > > >>> > > > > <packaging>war+front+living-doc+docker</packaging> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > in fact, "front", "living-doc", "docker" could > provide > > > > > > > > > > secondary > > > > > > > > > > > >>> sets > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > of > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > reusable plugins bindings: each build would compose > > > > > > >>> > > > > (with > > > > > > > > > > "+") > > > > > > > > > > > >>> based > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > on > > > > > > >>> > > > > his > > > > > > >>> > > > > requirements > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Ok but "front" means already 5-6 different bindings at > > > > > > least > > > > > > > > > >>> > > nice, that proves that this "sub-packaging" is useful: > what > > > > > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > > > >>> the > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > bindings, please, to make this case very concrete? > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > and > > > > > > >>> > > > "living-doc" is per project by design (depends your > stack, > > > > > > > > > > leads > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > to > > > > > > >>> > > > different set of plugins). > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > let's dig a little bit: can you provide a few examples of > > > > > > stacks > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > corresponding bindings, please? > > > > > > >>> > > perhaps "living-doc" is too generic, and should be more > > > > > > specific > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > >>> stack > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > Jar+front=jar lifecycle + frontend:npm-install + > > > > > > >>> > frontend:npm-build > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> in such a case, where it's only 1 single plugin, we don't > even > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > >>> "sub- > > > > > > >>> packaging" feature: adding the plugin will use its default > > > > > > bindings > > > > > > > > > >>> (just tell > > > > > > >>> if that one is not clear: I'm not sure if this is clearly > > > > > > >>> documented) > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> For all these plugins there is no default binding or it does > nuot > > > > > > > > > > match > > > > > > > > > > > >> mentionned lifecycle so it must still be customized. > > > > > > >> Can be done in a pom but in multimodule it is still nice to be > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > >> to > > > > > > >> share it between 3-4 modules - this is why the proposed > extension > > > > > > > > > > helps a > > > > > > > > > > > >> lot and enables to migrate tooling (yarn to npm for ex) > > > > > > >> trivially. > > > > > > >> To rephrase it: it is to make maven align on modern dev where > > > > > > > > > > inheritance > > > > > > > > > > > >> is dropped in favor of composition because it is more flexible > > > > > > >> and > > > > > > > > > > easy > > > > > > > > > > > >> to > > > > > > >> maintain. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Then you can add openapi.json generation with > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> geronimo-openapi-maven-plugin > > > > > > >>> same as before: adding a plugin should do the job of default > > > > > > >>> goal > > > > > > >>> bindings > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> When used in 1 module yes, otherwise it enforce to either > create > > > > > > >> a > > > > > > > > > > fake > > > > > > > > > > > >> parent (broken design imho) or duplicate the plugin instead of > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > >> to reuse a standard *project specific* way of doing (which is > > > > > > super > > > > > > > > > >> important for consistency). > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > You have the same with a war instead of a jar. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> thisis why "sub-packaging" is useful: it can be used whatever > > > > > > >>> the > > > > > > > > > > main > > > > > > > > > > > >>> packaging is. And default goal bindings when is a plugin is > > > > > > added is > > > > > > > > > >>> also > > > > > > >>> independant of the packaging > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > Ablut living doc it can be several exec + openapi patch > > > > > > >>> > (either > > > > > > > > > > with a > > > > > > > > > > > >>> json > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > plugin or something else like ant or even another exec or > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> gplus:execute for > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > what I saw). Add github-page or cms deployment, jira > chabgelog > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> generation > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > (saw it with public and private plugins) and doc content > > > > > > >>> > itself > > > > > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > >>> home > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > made (exec), jbake based, antora based (frontend but not > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > >>> config > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > than build one) or even jekyll based for what I saw. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> parent POM, or reactor pom is already there for that: I don't > > > > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > > > >>> what > > > > > > >>> a new configuration file will add > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > Indeed npm can be yarn too and you can add npm-test and > > > > > > >>> > potentially > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> npm-e2e > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > to the combinations > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > I envision a reusable solution can be a thing but it is > > > > > > >>> > > > way > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > >>> complex > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > than having these dynamic bindings which are straight > > > > > > forward > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > >>> user > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > side > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > so I prefer to let the user adapt maven to his need > rather > > > > > > >>> > > > than > > > > > > >>> > > > the > > > > > > >>> > > > opposite. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Also note that your proposal makes us moving one step > > > > > > forward > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > >>> we > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > stay > > > > > > >>> > > > blocked: how do you merge phases and plugin order? This > > > > > > >>> > > > can > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > >>> depends > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > on > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > projetcs and "+" only allows one order whereas order > can > > > > > > >>> > > > be > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> different > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > between main and test plugins so you would need a > complete > > > > > > >>> > > > dsl, > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> not that > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > easy compared to being explicit imo. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > sure, this part is only one step > > > > > > >>> > > I need examples of such "merge phase" and order > requirements > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > >>> better see > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > what mechanisms would be useful > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > Start by what i mentionned just before, jar+frontend which > can > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > >>> > simpkified by > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > Compile-class+npm-run+test-java+npm-test > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > Compile-class runs before test-java > > > > > > >>> > Npm-run runs before npm-test > > > > > > >>> > All combinations respecting that are used (if one phase > > > > > > generates > > > > > > > > code > > > > > > > > > > > >>> for > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > the other using typescript-generator plugin or the > opposite). > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> classical phases are sufficient: I don't get what is missing > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> No, this is sufficient when you add one or two plugins without > > > > > > > > > > profiles, > > > > > > > > > > > >> otherwise you can do it but it is a mess - and to be honest, > even > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > >> I > > > > > > >> know > > > > > > >> how it works and I made it working, I always reworked my > build to > > > > > > > > > > bypass > > > > > > > > > > > >> maven and add my own substeps in such cases cause in terms of > > > > > > >> maintainance > > > > > > >> it is too costly and rigid. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Stephen proposal was helping even if priorities are not > explicit > > > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > > >> IMO -a chain is saner for me - but was a nice workaround to > have > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > today > > > > > > > > > > > >> without breaking pom versioning. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> If I want to solve it cleanly today i would do a packaging > > > > > > extension > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > >> some autoconfig extension based on properties. > > > > > > >> This thread is just about avoiding to create an useless > project > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > >> a > > > > > > >> different lifecycle just for that purpose and enable it to be > > > > > > >> done > > > > > > > > > > inline > > > > > > > > > > > >> in the project. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> But thinking out loud, it can be done with a plugin extension > too > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > >> defined in the plugin conf too instead of another folder. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > this could be injected by the > LifecycleBindingsInjector > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > WDYT? > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Regards, > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Hervé > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > [1] > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/maven/blob/master/maven-core/src/main/java/org > > > > > > > > > >>> /a > > > > > > pache/maven/model/plugin/DefaultLifecycleBindingsInjector.java#L63> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Le vendredi 10 juillet 2020, 19:33:35 CEST Romain > > > > > > > > > > Manni-Bucau a > > > > > > > > > > > >>> écrit > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Looked a bit on how to impl this kind of extension > and > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > >>> would help > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > if > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > maven wouldn't assume everything is hardcoded in > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> components.xml (or > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > eq) > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > or > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > if sisu would enable to reuse its plexus scanner > which > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > >>> very > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > low > > > > > > >>> > > > > > visibility today. It is also weird to not have > access > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > >>> guice > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > injector > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > in components and have to go through the > > > > > > plexuscontainer > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > to > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> lookup > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > beans. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > As code often says more than words, here a small > hello > > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > >>> showing > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > that > > > > > > >>> > > > > > reusing this part of maven "core" is not that > trivial: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > @Component(role = > > > > > > AbstractMavenLifecycleParticipant.class) > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > public class CustomLifecycleExtension extends > > > > > > >>> > > > > > AbstractMavenLifecycleParticipant { > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > @Inject > > > > > > >>> > > > > > private PlexusContainer container; > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > @Override > > > > > > >>> > > > > > public void afterProjectsRead(final > MavenSession > > > > > > > > > > session) > > > > > > > > > > > >>> throws > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > MavenExecutionException { > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > final Path root = > > > > > > > > > > session.getRequest().getMultiModuleProjectDirectory().toPath() > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > ; > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > final Path configFolder = > > > > > > >>> > > > > > root.resolve(".extensions/custom"); > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > final Path mappings = > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> configFolder.resolve("mappings.xml"); > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > if (Files.exists(mappings)) { > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > final ComponentSetDescriptor > componentSet > > > > > > >>> > > > > > = > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > readAs(mappings, ComponentSetDescriptor.class, > null); > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > System.out.println(componentSet); > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > } > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > super.afterProjectsRead(session); > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > } > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > private <T> T readAs(final Path path, final > > > > > > Class<T> > > > > > > > > type, > > > > > > > > > > > >>> final > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > String wrapper) { > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > try { > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > final ClassRealm container = > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > this.container.getContainerRealm(); > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > final Class<?> converterType = container > > > > > > .loadClass("org.eclipse.sisu.plexus.PlexusBeanConverter"); > > > > > > > > > >>> final > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Class<?> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > typeLiteralType = container > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> .loadClass("com.google.inject.TypeLiteral"); > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > final Object converter = > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > this.container.lookup(converterType); > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > return > > > > > > type.cast(converterType.getMethod("convert", > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > typeLiteralType, String.class).invoke( > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > converter, > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > typeLiteralType.getMethod("get", > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Class.class).invoke(null, type), > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > (wrapper != null ? "<" + > wrapper + > > > > > > ">" > > > > > > > > > >>> "") + > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > new > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> String(Files.readAllBytes(path), > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > StandardCharsets.UTF_8) > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> .replaceFirst("<\\?[^>]+\\?>", > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > "").trim() + (wrapper != null ? "</" + wrapper + > ">" : > > > > > ""))); > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > } > > > > > > >>> > > > > > catch > > > > > > >>> > > > > > (final Exception e) { > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > throw new IllegalStateException(e); > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > } > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > } > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > } > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Indeed it can't work since componentsetdescriptor > uses > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > plexusconfiguration > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > which is not instantiable but it shows the > workarounds > > > > > > > > > > needed > > > > > > > > > > > >>> to > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > just > > > > > > >>> > > > > > lookup plexus converter and reuse plexus xml > binding. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > The code should just look like that IMHO: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > @Component(role = > > > > > > AbstractMavenLifecycleParticipant.class) > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > public class CustomLifecycleExtension extends > > > > > > >>> > > > > > AbstractMavenLifecycleParticipant { > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > @Inject > > > > > > >>> > > > > > private PlexusBeanConverter converter; > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > @Override > > > > > > >>> > > > > > public void afterProjectsRead(final > MavenSession > > > > > > > > > > session) > > > > > > > > > > > >>> throws > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > MavenExecutionException { > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > final Path root = > > > > > > > > > > session.getRequest().getMultiModuleProjectDirectory().toPath() > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > ; > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > final Path configFolder = > > > > > > >>> > > > > > root.resolve(".extensions/custom"); > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > final Path mappings = > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> configFolder.resolve("mappings.xml"); > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > if (Files.exists(mappings)) { > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > final ComponentSetDescriptor > componentSet > > > > > > >>> > > > > > = > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > readAs(mappings, ComponentSetDescriptor.class, > null); > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > System.out.println(componentSet); > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > } > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > super.afterProjectsRead(session); > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > } > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > private <T> T readAs(final Path path, final > > > > > > Class<T> > > > > > > > > type, > > > > > > > > > > > >>> final > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > String wrapper) { > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > try { > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > return type.cast( > > > > > > > > > > converter.convert(TypeLiteral.get(type), > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > (wrapper != null ? "<" > + > > > > > > > > > > wrapper + > > > > > > > > > > > >>> ">" : > > > > > > >>> > > "") > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > + > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > new > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > String(Files.readAllBytes(path), > > > > > > StandardCharsets.UTF_8) > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > .replaceFirst("<\\?[^>]+\\?>", "").trim() + > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > (wrapper != > null ? > > > > > > > > > > "</" + > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > wrapper > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > + ">" : ""))); > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > } catch (final Exception e) { > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > throw new IllegalStateException(e); > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > } > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > } > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > } > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Once this part is fixed (using a custom parser) the > > > > > > next > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > >>> is how > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > to > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > contribute global components from an extension. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > I'll ignore the parsing - currently I have a custom > > > > > > >>> > > > > > sax > > > > > > > > > > parser > > > > > > > > > > > >>> but I > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > hope > > > > > > >>> > > > > > to be able to drop it soon - it is quite easy to > > > > > > >>> > > > > > contribute > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> back the > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > new > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > mapping - note i dropped the lifecycle particupant > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > >>> not > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > really > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > help there cause only contributing mappings when > the > > > > > > > > > > extension > > > > > > > > > > > >>> is > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > created > > > > > > >>> > > > > > makes sense: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > @Component(role = StartupContributor.class, > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> instantiationStrategy = > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Strategies.LOAD_ON_START) > > > > > > >>> > > > > > public class StartupContributor { > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > @Inject > > > > > > >>> > > > > > private MavenSession session; > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > @Inject > > > > > > >>> > > > > > private PlexusContainer container; > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > @PostConstruct > > > > > > >>> > > > > > public void init() { > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > final Path root = > > > > > > > > > > session.getRequest().getMultiModuleProjectDirectory().toPath() > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > ; > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > final Path configFolder = > > > > > > >>> > > > > > root.resolve(".extensions/custom"); > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > final Path mappings = > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> configFolder.resolve("mappings.xml"); > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > if (Files.exists(mappings)) { > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > final DefaultLifecycleMapping mapping = > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > *loadOrParse(*mappings*)*; > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > container.addComponent(mapping, > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> LifecycleMapping.class, > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > "my-mapping"); > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > } > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > } > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > } > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Then we can put the new mapping as packaging and > voilà > > > : > > > :). > > > : > > > > > > >>> > > > > > If you have tips for the parsing it is welcomed > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > I'll > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > continue > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > to > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > play with my custom parser. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Romain Manni-Bucau > > > > > > >>> > > > > > @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | > Blog > > > > > > >>> > > > > > <https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog > > > > > > >>> > > > > > <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github < > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > https://github.com/rmannibucau> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > | LinkedIn < > https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | > > > > > > > > > > Book > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > < > > > > > > > https://www.packtpub.com/application-development/java-ee-8-high-performa > > > > > > > > > >>> nc > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > e > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Le dim. 5 juil. 2020 à 11:09, Romain Manni-Bucau < > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > rmannibu...@gmail.com> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > a > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > écrit : > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Here is a sample public build: > > > > > > >>> > > > > https://github.com/talend/component-runtime > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Interesting modules are - just listing one per > type > > > > > > - if > > > > > > > > > >>> master > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > looks > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > weird tag 1.1.19 can be a fallback: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > 1. > > > > > > > https://github.com/Talend/component-runtime/blob/master/component-starte > > > > > > > > > >>> r-> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > server/pom.xml 2. > > > > > > > https://github.com/Talend/component-runtime/blob/master/documentation/po > > > > > > > > > >>> m > > > > > > >>> . > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > xml 3. > > > > > > > https://github.com/Talend/component-runtime/blob/master/images/component > > > > > > > > > >>> -s > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > erver-image/pom.xml > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Side note being some other - private :( - module > do > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > 3 > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > things > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > in a > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > single module - and indeed faking module for > build > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> constraints is > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > not > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > an > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > option. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Hope it helps. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Le dim. 5 juil. 2020 à 11:02, Hervé BOUTEMY > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > <herve.bout...@free.fr> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > a > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > écrit : > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> Le samedi 4 juillet 2020, 23:15:19 CEST Romain > > > > > > > > > > Manni-Bucau > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> a > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > écrit : > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > Le sam. 4 juil. 2020 à 18:09, Stephen > Connolly < > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > On Sat 4 Jul 2020 at 16:54, Romain > Manni-Bucau > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > < > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > rmannibu...@gmail.com > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > wrote: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > Le sam. 4 juil. 2020 à 16:38, Stephen > > > > > > Connolly < > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> a écrit > : > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > On Sat 4 Jul 2020 at 10:21, Romain > > > > > > Manni-Bucau > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > < > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> rmannibu...@gmail.com> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > Well, there are two points I'd like to > > > > > > > > > > emphasis: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > 1. I dont think we should wait for 2 > > > > > > majors > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > to > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> get that > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > as > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > a > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > feature, > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > would > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > be too late IMHO > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > Well does my dynamic phases PR do what > you > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > need? > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > Partly if you think to priority one, it > moves > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > >>> issue a > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > bit > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> further > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > due > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > to priority usage which is not great in > > > > > > practice > > > > > > > > > >>> compare to > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > names + > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > requires to use 100, 200 etc to be able to > > > > > > inject > > > > > > > > > >>> plugin > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > between > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > two > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > others > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > in children with the project becoming more > > > > > > > > > > complex. > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Think > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > we > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > must > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> have > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > an > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > explicit control here even with complex > > > > > > > > > > hierarchies. > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > If you need that much control then you’re > doing > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> something > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > wrong. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > How often do you need more than 3-4 plugin > > > > > > > > > > executions > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > in > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > strict > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> ordered > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > succession? > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > All my projects not being libraries since ~7 > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > >>> Frontend is > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > often 3 > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > exec, living doc is often 4-5 exec, docker is > > > > > > often > > > > > > > > 3-4 > > > > > > > > > > > >>> exec > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > too > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > (needs > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > some computation steps for cds or build time > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> precomputation > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > things) > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > plus > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > custom resources, git integration meta, custom > > > > > > > > > > artifact > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > attachement, > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> etc... > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> I like this approach: can we share a demo > project > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> to > > > > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > concrete > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> case? > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > These are very common use cases today in the > same > > > > > > > > > > build. > > > > > > > > > > > >>> It is > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > key > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > to > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> keep > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > a single build orchestrator (mvn) for team > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > sharing > > > > > > > > > > and CI > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > industrialization. Issue being each project > set > > > > > > it up > > > > > > > > > >>> > > differently > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > and > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > making it generic is often overcomplex (living > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > doc > > > > > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > >>> jbake > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > plugin > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> or a > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > plain mvn exec:java or a groovy script etc... > > > > > > > > > > depending > > > > > > > > > > > >>> doc > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > output > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > and > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > reusability of the code+libs). With software > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > lifecycle > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> passing > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > from > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> years > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > to months we are in a more dynamic and > changing > > > > > > > > > > ecosystem > > > > > > > > > > > >>> our > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > beloved > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> build > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > tool should align on IMHO. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> I suppose we all agree from very high level > point > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> of > > > > > > > > > > view: > > > > > > >>> IMHO, > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > we > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > now > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> need > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> to dig a little more in detail on typical cases, > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > >>> sample demo > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > builds. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> Then > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> we'll work on solutions. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > That sounds like a dedicated plugin use case > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > This is why i want a generic extension as > > > > > > solution, > > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > project > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > have > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> its > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > specificities and standardizing it is hard and > > > > > > likely > > > > > > > > > >>> adds too > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > much > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > complexity compared to let the user enriching > > > > > > default > > > > > > > > > >>> phases > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > (can > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > be a > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > merge of 2 packagings instead of a new one > fully > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > defined). > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> yes, looks like adding "sub-packaging"s for > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> build > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > aspects > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> (frontend, living doc, container, ...), taking > care > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > >>> eventual > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> interactions > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> between each one > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > If I stick to plain maven and want a clean > build > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > workarounds I > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> must > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > write plugins+extensions for each of the apps > - > > > > > > > > > > plugins > > > > > > > > > > > >>> and ext > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > must be > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > reusable or not be IMHO, sounds not great > whereas > > > > > > > > > > maven > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > backbone is > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > very > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > good, this is why I want to push it to the > next > > > > > > step > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > >>> keep a > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > high > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> quality > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > unique (in terms of #tools) build for > projects. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > I dont have big blockers to do it without > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > patching > > > > > > > > > > maven > > > > > > > > > > > >>> itself > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > so > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > will > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> not > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > spend much energy if idea is not liked but I > hope > > > > > > > > > > maven > > > > > > > > > > > >>> tackles > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > it > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > some > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> day > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > in a built in fashion (which means better IDE > and > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> ecosystem > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > integration > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > even if personally I dont abuse of that). > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> from experience, sharing a solution before > sharing > > > > > > > > > > issues > > > > > > > > > > > >>> that > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> the > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> solution is > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> expected to solve makes it hard to get > consensus. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> You shared the high level issue: that's great. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> Now we must share sample builds. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> And work on solutions. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> I'm all in > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> Regards, > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> Hervé > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > 2. Pom model is based on inheritance > > > > > > whereas > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > years > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > showed > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > composition > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > and > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > reuse is saner so IMHO it does not > belong > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > pom > > > > > > > > > > > >>> but > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > .mvn > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > Your proposal would only work if all > > > > > > projects > > > > > > > > > >>> shared the > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > same > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > packaging > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > as > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > Hervé pointed out that the lifecycle is > > > > > > pulled > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > >>> based > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > on > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> packaging. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > No cause you define the packaging to use > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > pom > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > already - > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > since > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > maven > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > 2 IIRC - so you can define as much > packagings > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > >>> want > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > in > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > .mvn. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> To be > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > concrete, it just enables to have an > exploded > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> extension in > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > the > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> project > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > instead of requiring it to be packaged as > a > > > > > > jar. > > > > > > > > Does > > > > > > > > > > > >>> not > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > reinvent > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> the > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > wheel ;). > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > What you probably want is > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> .mvn/${packaging}/lifecycle.xml > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > so > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > you > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> can > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > override custom > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > A bug you may encounter is where phase > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > names > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > are > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > not > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > common > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> across the > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > reactor > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > Yep, build/extension must enforce common > > > > > > > > > > checkpoints > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > (package, > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> install, > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > deploy out of my head) for all modules. > Not a > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > >>> deal if > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > validated > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > during > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > initialize phase I think. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > Le sam. 4 juil. 2020 à 10:19, Robert > > > > > > Scholte > > > > > > > > > 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both in my > > > > > > > > > > explanation....cause > > > > > > > > > > > >>> they > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > only > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > make > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > sense > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > together for a build as shown by the > > > > > > > > > > pre/post > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > recurrent > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> request > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > which > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > aims > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > to enrich the lifecycle to bind > custom > > > > > > > > > > plugins. > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Today projects are no more just > about > > > > > > > > > > creating > > > > > > > > > > > >>> a jar > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > 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> > >>> > > > > the > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> build > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > - > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > and > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sometimes independently, mvn > frontend > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > >>> depending > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > of > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > mvn > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> package > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > or > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > mvn > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > compile would be neat but not > required > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > me). > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > So the extension i have in mind will > > > > > > handle > > > > > > > > > >>> both or > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > wouldnt > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > be > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > usable. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > About loosing the convention, after > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > fighting > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> for 7 > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > years > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > to > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> not > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > respect > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > it, > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I think the ecosystem changed and we > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > > >>> accept it > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > as > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > bazel > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> and > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > gradle > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > do. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Does not mean we break ourself, we > keep > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > >>> default, > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > it > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > just > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> means > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > an > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > application must be able to > redefining > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> lifecycle+packaging > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > (which > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > is a pair named a build ;)). > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Think we can't stack plugin on a > single > > > > > > > > > > phase > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > anymore, > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > having > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> 5+ > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > plugins > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > on > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > pre-package is very hard to maintain > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > share > > > > > > > > > > > >>> in a > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > team > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > - > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> plus it > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > doesnt > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > really makes sense on a build point > of > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > view. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Indeed we can add phases as we have > > > > > > process > > > > > > > > > >>> classes > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > after > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> compile, > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > prepackage before package etc.. but > it > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > stays > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > arbitrary > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > for > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> maven > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > project > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > dev and does not reflect the agility > > > > > > > > > > projects > > > > > > > > > > > >>> take > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > these > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > days > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> IMHO > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > and > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > if > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > done in our core delivery it would > slow > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > down > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> most > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > build > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > for > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > no > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > gain > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > so > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > it > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > must be in user land IMHO. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hope it makes more sense presented > this > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > way. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Le sam. 4 juil. 2020 à 05:28, Hervé > > > > > > BOUTEMY > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > écrit : > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > first: thanks for sharing > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > from a high level point of view, > the > > > > > > risk > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > >>> see is > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > to > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > loose > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> our > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > conventions. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But let's try and see before > judging > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I think there are 2 topics > currently > > > > > > > > > > mixed: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - default lifecycle phases: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > do you want to add or remove > phases? > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - default plugin bindings: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > clearly, you want to have specific > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > default > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > bindings. 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>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > [2] > > > > > > > > > > > https://maven.apache.org/ref/3.6.3/maven-core/default-bindings.html > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Le vendredi 3 juillet 2020, > 09:20:25 > > > > > > CEST > > > > > > > > > >>> Romain > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> Manni-Bucau a > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > écrit > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Wonder if we already discussed > > > > > > defining > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > lifecycle > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > in > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> the > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > project > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > (maybe > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > in $root/.mvn). > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > High level the need is to be > able > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > > >>> the > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > default > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > lifecycle > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > in > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > the > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > root pom without having to > define a > > > > > > > > > > custom > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > extension > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > - in > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > words > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > it > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > is > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > about having a built-in > extension. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The typical need is to add a > mojo > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> default > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > lifecycle > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > (add > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > frontend > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > magement for ex) or replace some > > > > > > > > > > plugins by > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > others > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > (for > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > example > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > compiler > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > by > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > scalac plugin, surefire by spec2 > > > > > > plugin > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > >>> a > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > scala > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > based > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > project > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > etc...). > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The way I'm seeing it is to let > the > > > > > > xml > > > > > > > > > >>> defining > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > the > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> lifecycle > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > be > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > put > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > in > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > .mvn/default-lifecycle.xml - I > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > >>> if we > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > want > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > to > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> use > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > prefix > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > (default here) as a reference > you > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > put > > > > > > > > > > > >>> in the > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > pom > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > but > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> at > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > least > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > default > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > makes sense IMO. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The lifecycle.xml itself would > > > > > > likely > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> extended > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > to > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > add > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> some > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > precondition > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > to each plugin (if > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > src/main/frontend > > > > > > > > > > exists > > > > > > > > > > > >>> then > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > add > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > frontend:npm > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > for > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ex). > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I know it is a quite common > need I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > >>> not > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > something > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> I > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > would > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > put > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > in > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > a > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > custom extension because it is > very > > > > > > "by > > > > > > > > > >>> project" > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > and > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > not > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > shareable > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > so a > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > shared extension does not make > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > sense > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > packaging a > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > plugin/extension > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > for a > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > single project is bothering for > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > nothing. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I'm planning to give a try with > a > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > custom > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > extension in > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > the > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > summer > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > but > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > thought it can be worth some > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > > >>> there > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Wdyt? > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Romain Manni-Bucau > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > @rmannibucau | Blog > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > | Old Blog > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > | Github > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > https://github.com/rmannibucau> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > | LinkedIn | Book > > > > > > > https://www.packtpub.com/application-development/java-ee-8-high-performa > > > > > > > > > >>> n > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> c > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > e > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > - > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > > > >>> > > > > dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > > > >>> > > > > dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > -- > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > Sent from my phone > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > -- > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > Sent from my phone > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > - > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > > dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > > dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > >>> - > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > - > > > > > > >>> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > > > > > > >>> > > For additional commands, e-mail: > dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > >>> - > > > > > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > > > > > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > >
