ok, this was just a provocation: I don't have time to play against provocations
I take too much time reading and answering on Slack to track provocations on ML But if I need to do something to get back on normal attention on ML, IMHO it's about stopping taking time on Slack: that'll be my personal choice from now on Regards, Hervé On 2023/05/12 09:51:08 Tamás Cservenák wrote: > Howdy Romain, > > So here is a catch: this is a completely valid vote started by a member of > PMC. > The reason for it is exactly to shake up things a bit. > Otherwise, if nobody votes, this vote according to ASF voting guidelines > will pass. > > Thanks > T > > On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 11:43 AM Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hi Tamas, I don't share the analyzis (and if I would have to vote it would > > be rather negative). > > Concretely I don't think "This makes it clear that ONLY 72h is totally > > anti-community and disrespectful." is accurate, less than an off day > > (sunday) can be but 3 days is generally okish. > > > > That said, nobody prevents you to keep a vote running for 1 month, will > > likely makes it even less interesting, more blocking between projects and > > ultimately harder to follow for voters from my experience so I tend to > > think that even if I strongly share the intent, the solution is not that > > great and does not address the actual issue...in particular cause it always > > had been allowed by asf to do so, 3 days is a min. > > > > Keep in mind maven is a very split ecosystem and you can rarely vote on > > everything either by knowledge or by time. Ultimately it could makes sense > > to think to split the community/decrease the number of repos/... (thinking > > out loud trying to find solution to the issue you describe). > > > > So maybe start by a check of the last votes you consider being bad, and ask > > why people didnt vote and if there is a way to make them more included or > > if the issue is something else (on a personal side I know I tend to ignore > > the votes on projects I never use/contribute to for ex). > > > > Romain Manni-Bucau > > @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog > > <https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog > > <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github < > > https://github.com/rmannibucau> | > > LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Book > > < > > https://www.packtpub.com/application-development/java-ee-8-high-performance > > > > > > > > > Le ven. 12 mai 2023 à 11:32, Tamás Cservenák <csta...@apache.org> a écrit > > : > > > > > Howdy, > > > > > > I'd like to propose a change to the ASF Maven voting process (in line > > with > > > ASF guidelines): > > > CHANGE the current "vote open for at least 72h" window to "vote open for > > at > > > least 30 days, or more". > > > > > > Reasoning: > > > According to paperwork (ASF stats) we have more than 90 voters available > > > (PMCs + committers). > > > Still, multiple release votes recently were able to pass the "doorstep" > > > only by "hunting down" voters and pulling their sleeves (apologies and > > > thanks to them). This makes it clear that ONLY 72h is totally > > > anti-community and disrespectful. Nobody's sleeve should be pulled. > > That's > > > disrespectful for sleeves as well (except if you wear a T-shirt). We must > > > serve our project community in the best manner, and let our voters be > > able > > > to cast well thought votes in a timely manner, hence increasing the > > > irrationally short window of opportunity for casting votes IS A MUST. And > > > leave the sleeves alone. > > > > > > Sorry, but the vote is open for at least 72 hours ONLY. > > > > > > [ ] +1 > > > [ ] +0 > > > [ ] -1 > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
