If just 1 line in INFO level and data are not in the pom at all and cached as artifacts (daily for ex) I'm fine with it, solves all I'm against (ie being in the pom, being verbose, not using the logger, being network costly - o(N) over the network N being the #artifacts etc...)
Romain Manni-Bucau @rmannibucau <https://x.com/rmannibucau> | .NET Blog <https://dotnetbirdie.github.io/> | Blog <https://rmannibucau.github.io/> | Old Blog <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github <https://github.com/rmannibucau> | LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Book <https://www.packtpub.com/en-us/product/java-ee-8-high-performance-9781788473064> Javaccino founder (Java/.NET service - contact via linkedin) Le mer. 3 sept. 2025 à 02:58, Olivier Lamy <ol...@apache.org> a écrit : > I’m not sure what you mean by “consensus”. Do you mean 100% agreement? > I don’t think we’ll ever get everyone to agree on every decision here. > Looking at the thread though, it seems like there are more positive > than negative opinions. > And usually in these discussions here, we tend to hear more from > people who are against something than from those who are fine with it. > > I honestly don’t see what the problem would be with a message like: > > X artefacts have commercial support or are looking for funding > (if you don’t want to see this message again, set MVN_NO_FUND_MSG or > -Dmvn.no.fund.msg) > run mvn dependency:fund or mvn dependency:support for details > > If I saw that and didn’t like it, no big deal/fair enough, I’d just > turn it off and move on. > It’s a one-time message with a clear opt-out. > > And honestly, if it’s not on by default, I don’t see how it could be > useful at all. > > The whole point is to help people or companies who publish open-source > software (yes, FREE software that we all rely on!) get some funding or > offer paid support. > Most of us are in that position ourselves, so I really don’t see why > this would be an issue. > Bear in mind, the discussion is not about those data in Apache Maven > poms (I would be personally against it). > But a more general approach about the Maven eco system and helping all > of those people/companies who are supporting open source initiative. > > > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2025 at 18:28, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > hmm, we (Guillaume mainly) did a huge work to enable to decorate the pom > > and aim at using xml as it is and this is a perfect match use case, if we > > fail to make it then it means we likely missed something > > > > anyway since there will be no consensus and if the external namespace > > support is not desired then I think the topic can be closed until it pops > > again in a few years > > > > Romain Manni-Bucau > > @rmannibucau <https://x.com/rmannibucau> | .NET Blog > > <https://dotnetbirdie.github.io/> | Blog <https://rmannibucau.github.io/> > | Old > > Blog <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github > > <https://github.com/rmannibucau> | LinkedIn > > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Book > > < > https://www.packtpub.com/en-us/product/java-ee-8-high-performance-9781788473064 > > > > Javaccino founder (Java/.NET service - contact via linkedin) > > > > > > Le jeu. 28 août 2025 à 10:18, Andy Law <andy....@roslin.ed.ac.uk> a > écrit : > > > > > I vote -1 to that suggestion. There’s no point in building something > that > > > is off by default because you’ll never get groups 3 and 4. > > > > > > Either do it and make it on by default with a way to switch it off, or > > > don’t do it at all. > > > > > > Later, > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > *From: *Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com> > > > *Date: *Thursday, 28 August 2025 at 08:02 > > > *To: *Maven Developers List <dev@maven.apache.org> > > > *Subject: *Re: support and funding metdata in poms and plugin > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > thinking out loud but I do not think there will be a concensus, that > said > > > maybe we can all agree to not have it in consumer pom so it can be a > custom > > > namespace in build pom - which is still published and consummable by a > > > funding plugin. > > > Can make everyone happy? > > > > > > Romain Manni-Bucau > > > @rmannibucau < > > > > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fx.com%2Frmannibucau&data=05%7C02%7C%7C5e5e217d45b341e9c65008dde600d31b%7C2e9f06b016694589878910a06934dc61%7C0%7C0%7C638919613387357152%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=vzRyFaF%2FllRbzqQV%2BLq2GcQKZELM97WzHbI1HQ0y4Iw%3D&reserved=0 > > > <https://x.com/rmannibucau>> | .NET Blog > > > < > > > > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdotnetbirdie.github.io%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C5e5e217d45b341e9c65008dde600d31b%7C2e9f06b016694589878910a06934dc61%7C0%7C0%7C638919613387390582%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=eYK7BU2VMSX%2B%2FikTRmu0Ya5%2BWI1Ie9WZA7EfpcJ6m7I%3D&reserved=0 > > > <https://dotnetbirdie.github.io/>> | Blog < > > > > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Frmannibucau.github.io%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C5e5e217d45b341e9c65008dde600d31b%7C2e9f06b016694589878910a06934dc61%7C0%7C0%7C638919613387414729%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=KfHZnk7DcdzRV2VExlBX8%2FFVNF9L1LbxnzeQvRzhf0Q%3D&reserved=0 > > > <https://rmannibucau.github.io/>> | Old > > > Blog < > > > > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frmannibucau.wordpress.com%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C5e5e217d45b341e9c65008dde600d31b%7C2e9f06b016694589878910a06934dc61%7C0%7C0%7C638919613387430534%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=cObPR0wvRG2rHDI0mykzUCHxfhIivhQ33dU0FkkaaHM%3D&reserved=0 > > > <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>> | Github > > > < > > > > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Frmannibucau&data=05%7C02%7C%7C5e5e217d45b341e9c65008dde600d31b%7C2e9f06b016694589878910a06934dc61%7C0%7C0%7C638919613387444675%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=JDlWYCBk5pCJtuyc%2FWVQlk510plxYBoCxvZ%2FqD%2F2piA%3D&reserved=0 > > > <https://github.com/rmannibucau>> | LinkedIn > > > < > > > > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Frmannibucau&data=05%7C02%7C%7C5e5e217d45b341e9c65008dde600d31b%7C2e9f06b016694589878910a06934dc61%7C0%7C0%7C638919613387459352%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=9gbs7ZCONil9Tj9ZPB6GguoU9F7%2B1psf1DFZES3rG%2Bg%3D&reserved=0 > > > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau>> | Book > > > < > > > > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.packtpub.com%2Fen-us%2Fproduct%2Fjava-ee-8-high-performance-9781788473064&data=05%7C02%7C%7C5e5e217d45b341e9c65008dde600d31b%7C2e9f06b016694589878910a06934dc61%7C0%7C0%7C638919613387474926%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=P73TgcNwFM3qfEQgCoYzhsPi%2BMKAgJvOisUERy%2BsFlc%3D&reserved=0 > > > < > https://www.packtpub.com/en-us/product/java-ee-8-high-performance-9781788473064 > > > > > > > > > Javaccino founder (Java/.NET service - contact via linkedin) > > > > > > > > > Le jeu. 28 août 2025 à 08:57, Christofer Dutz < > christofer.d...@c-ware.de> > > > a > > > écrit : > > > > > > > A big +1 from my side: > > > > > > > > While there are many projects out there that have no issues with > funding > > > > and have a big community, there are some where only a handful (or > less) > > > are > > > > doing all the work. > > > > I would love to see something like a little funding report at the > end of > > > > the build. > > > > > > > > Mainly my work is consumed by users totally new to open-source. I > think > > > > most of them belong to the third and fourth type „never thought“ and > > > > "didn’t know how“. > > > > So, this would be great help for me. > > > > > > > > But taking my releases of PLC4X as an example … depending on which > PLC4X > > > > release you would refer to, you’d get 6 different places to go to … > so > > > this > > > > might frustrate people (If they keep on using ancient versions) > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > Von: Andy Law <andy....@roslin.ed.ac.uk> > > > > Datum: Donnerstag, 28. August 2025 um 08:43 > > > > An: Maven Developers List <dev@maven.apache.org> > > > > Betreff: Re: support and funding metdata in poms and plugin > > > > > > > > ...And the third type - those who never thought about it. > > > > ...And the ones who did, but didn’t know where to start to ask > > > > > > > > (But apart from that, what have the Romans ever done for us…) > > > > > > > > And if you don’t want to see it, then set the environment variable or > > > > property to turn it off and carry on. This doesn’t sound like a > Wikipedia > > > > “Before we show you the thing that you were looking for” style > > > interaction. > > > > > > > > Have you seen the npm implementation? > > > > > > > > Later, > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > From: Delany <delany.middle...@gmail.com> > > > > Date: Thursday, 28 August 2025 at 06:44 > > > > To: Maven Developers List <dev@maven.apache.org> > > > > Subject: Re: support and funding metdata in poms and plugin > > > > > > > > There are two types of people: those who are looking for a program to > > > > sponsor and those who are not. > > > > If I was the former, the last place on the planet I'd look for a > worthy > > > > recipient is at the bottom of my latest build output. > > > > This isn't Wikipedia with its > > > > philanthropic, save-the-world-through-education vibe - these are > esoteric > > > > software development side-projects. > > > > I don't want promotional content showing up in my sacred build > output. > > > > Its just not the place for pathos. > > > > > > > > My 2 cents > > > > > > > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2025 at 03:37, Olivier Lamy <ol...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > > I wouldn’t really see this as spamming. It will be only two extra > > > > > lines at the end of a Maven build, with an easy opt-out (env var or > > > > > sys prop) for anyone who prefers not to see it. > > > > > It seems essential to keep it independent of vendors (GitHub, > > > > > Sonatype, etc.). A few lines (link to url which could be simply GH > > > > > funding url) in the POM keep it simple and entirely under the > > > > > project’s control, avoiding the hassle of new files, signatures, or > > > > > repository manager checks. > > > > > It feels like a lightweight way to surface funding or support > options > > > > > for open source projects. > > > > > Since open source often relies on unpaid time and effort, having an > > > > > easy mechanism to point to support opportunities could be a small > but > > > > > helpful step. > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 at 02:02, Bernd Eckenfels < > e...@zusammenkunft.net> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Martin Todorov wrote on 22. Aug 2025 13:14 (GMT +02:00): > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think this is spam. It's a way for developers to get an > > > extra > > > > > > > stream of income to work on the things they love. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would not put it into the POM, those are ethernal and > immutable and > > > > we > > > > > try to mini ihr them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe a separate sponsors.xml as a extra artifact is better - or > we > > > get > > > > > an Organisation which already runs a Sponsoring program like > GitHub to > > > > > define an official mapping from coordinatea to projects. Or maybe > > > > Sonatype > > > > > since they would be able to correlate? > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to keep it in the POM a rather neutral attribute > like a > > > > > @sponsor-search=true flag besides the project url would allow the > > > > discovery > > > > > (on that page). Then we would have to define that only the latest > > > Version > > > > > of each artifact is to be consulted. 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