On 1 Aug 07, at 11:37 PM 1 Aug 07, Brett Porter wrote:
On 02/08/2007, at 1:22 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
All looks good, my only comments are I think the notions in Scrum
like Sprints for a release are good like the idea of fixing the
set of issues and sticking with it for the Sprint. Sensible
patterns and there's already literature on that. So in any parts
you're talking about planning I think it might be good to defer to
Scrum.
That's the intent (if it were to be summarised in a sentence), but
I agree if anyone is looking for more detail that's the place to go.
To sustain any sort of visibility amongst us I think it would be
wise for us to mandate the use of Mylyn. I don't use Eclipse but I
use Eclipse for Mylyn. For anyone using Eclipse it's a no brainer,
but I don't use Eclipse 100% of the time but I use it for Mylyn.
It makes being diligent about issue management a lot easier. It
also helps vet duplicates, and generally makes planning easier. At
least I've found it to be a great boon after using it for quite a
while now.
I'd encourage us sharing a good Mylyn set up and putting it on the
web site to encourage this consistency, but I think it's
unreasonable to mandate it.
Why? It's free and it's the best way to keep some level visibility.
For people submitting issues no, for developers yes. It just raises
the general level of awareness by a great degree and is not hard to
do. Makes the process of patching so much easier as well, and makes
documenting how to do it easier. From a management perspective I
think it's a no brainer, most people use Eclipse and for people like
me who don't I would use it to make it easier for others.
As far as the workflow, are you actually going to try and
encapsulate that workflow in a JIRA workflow itself? I think that
might be a bit masochistic but any workflow that is not strictly
enforced in the tool is going to be hard to adhere to.
It'd be nice to enforce it now, but I'm not prepared for that kind
of pain :) If someone else who's done more jira workflowy things
wants to try their hand, please do. Otherwise, I figure if we at
least have a stated pattern in agreement, if we see regular
violations we should either review the rule, or enforce it at that
point.
Thanks,
Brett
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Jason
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