I think having the intermediary bridge is a good idea, and I would be comfortable finding the last stable version of trunk that works with Mevenide and then release that and then leave that as a stable branch for you to work off.

One of the problems is that your code seems not to be very testable from your own description and there's nothing we could run to validate changes in trunk haven't busted you without you manually testing. You have to do something about that because asking you to manually try things isn't tenable. We'll make the stable branch of 3.0.x, and then we can leave that pretty much static except for bug fixes you want to put in there.

I need a release just as badly as you for the Eclipse IP process. So if you we can match what you're using and find that point in time where you're happy we'll roll back trunk to there, cut a 3.0.x branch and you will have something stable. I want to continue getting Mercury and Shane's new project builder in because to me that will be a massive stabilization in the artifact mechanism and Shane is just tearing out all sort of cruft that's built up in the POM builder and we're just not going to be able to create a spec'd process, mixins support, multi-format/version support, and a many other things with these two changes.

Releasing trunk as 2.1 I think would be a very bad idea, but I'm happy to rollback/patch to whatever point in time makes you comfortable. I would prefer to plough along on trunk which looks like would become 3.1.x in this scheme. You would probably stay away from Mercury and we are really going to need a harness from you we can run. The ITs will get better and be protection at the CLI level but you seem to keep getting bitten at the embedder level.

Let me know what you would like to do.

On 10-Aug-08, at 10:37 AM, Milos Kleint wrote:

On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Mauro Talevi
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Milos Kleint wrote:

please, please, let's not add anything else to trunk (2.1) and
stabilize it. I've been waiting for a stable embeddable version for 2
years and with the number of work (complete rewrites  of everything)
in the branches, a stable maven.next looks years ahead again.

Not having an embeddable maven that works in the IDE integrations
hurts the adoption and trust of users.


Milos, isn't just a case of renaming trunk/2.1 to trunk/3 ?

well, the version number itself is of little interest to me, but I see
a lot of people cooking new stuff at branches. I suppose the intention
is to get this code into trunk. The question for me is wheher it gets
into trunk before the maven.next is released or after (be it 2.1 or
3.0 ). The maven.next that's interesting to me is the version that is
embeddable.


Also cutting an alpha or beta would enable IDE devs to work to that without
having sleepless nights about stabilisation.

Well, if the alphas and betas get cut from a stable branch that will
ultimately become the next final release, I'm cool with it.

Milos


Cheers


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Thanks,

Jason

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