I don't follow you here.
AFAIK : mvn release:prepare release:perform wil generate only two
builds (or I have missed something)

And in our case all mojo binds tru the profile apache-release won't be
executed in the prepare if we remove the <arguments> stuff.
So it won't be possible to detect possible errors which can happend
during the perform "phase".
And here is my only point.

2011/1/27 Benson Margulies <[email protected]>:
> Remember that there are three runs of maven here.
>
> The outer run.
>
> The forked execution for prepare.
>
> The forked execution for perform.
>
> The first of these is still a full build, and can catch errors.
>
> The last is as full as people choose to make it.
>
> There's an additional problem that there is nothing like
> 'useReleaseProfiles' for 'prepare'. It seems to me that the designer
> expected prepare to be just the 'bagging and tagging', not running
> tests and such, since he or she didn't allow any fine control over how
> it runs. (<arguments> is a blunt instrument).
>
> My opinion, at least.
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Olivier Lamy <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I see your point.
>> If we do this the prepare won't be anymore a "repetition" of the real
>> perform goal (sources, sources bundle, javadoc).
>> Sure not a big deal but that means folks have some risks to found
>> issue too late.
>>
>> So I'm +1.
>>
>> btw we can add this arguments again in the maven parent pom.
>>
>> Others WDYT ?
>>
>>
>> 2011/1/27 Benson Margulies <[email protected]>:
>>> On the compat front, can you think of a reason why removing this from
>>> prepare would bust anything for anyone?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Benson Margulies
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> The problem is the use of <arguments> rather than <releaseProfiles>.
>>>> The later only applies to 'perform'. the former also applies to
>>>> prepare.
>>>>
>>>> So, gpg is turned on for prepare, which takes a long time and requires
>>>> keys to be present. If you just used releaseProfiles and
>>>> useReleaseProfiles it would be fine with me.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Olivier Lamy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't follow you here.
>>>>> The goal of this profile activation is to generate a set of standard
>>>>> ASF materials.
>>>>> As it has been added, removing will means breaking backward comp.
>>>>> IMHO it's easier to have it here when folks wants to cut a release.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW you can override this in your pom if you don't want any arguments
>>>>> with something like (from  mind so not tested :-) ) :
>>>>>
>>>>>          <groupId>org.apache.maven.plugins</groupId>
>>>>>          <artifactId>maven-release-plugin</artifactId>
>>>>>          <configuration>
>>>>>            <arguments combine.self="override"></arguments>
>>>>>          </configuration>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2011/1/27 Benson Margulies <[email protected]>:
>>>>> > MPOM-2. The fact that the Codehaus jira is the home of issues with the
>>>>> > ASF shared POM strikes me as something else that needs fixing.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Olivier Lamy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> >> Hello,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> The profile apache-release sounds good for adding various release 
>>>>> >> materials.
>>>>> >> Can you explain what's wrong or give the jira id ?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Thanks
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 2011/1/27 Benson Margulies <[email protected]>:
>>>>> >>> I note that  <arguments>-Papache-release</arguments> is still in 
>>>>> >>> there.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I filed a JIRA about the surprising and unpleasant effects of this. I
>>>>> >>> don't own a -1, but it seems to me that it would be reasonable to ask
>>>>> >>> you to either remove this or close my JIRA explaining why I'm wrong.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 4:30 AM, Olivier Lamy <[email protected]> 
>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>> Hello Folks,
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I'd like to release the ASF parent pom [1].
>>>>> >>>> In the maven parent pom [2], we have setup a maven-3 profile for the
>>>>> >>>> site plugin.
>>>>> >>>> No objections I move this profile to the ASF parent ?
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Current diff :
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> $ svn diff 
>>>>> >>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/maven/pom/tags/apache-8/pom.xml
>>>>> >>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/maven/pom/trunk/asf/pom.xml
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Index: pom.xml
>>>>> >>>> ===================================================================
>>>>> >>>> --- pom.xml     (.../tags/apache-8/pom.xml)     (revision 1064055)
>>>>> >>>> +++ pom.xml     (.../trunk/asf/pom.xml) (revision 1064055)
>>>>> >>>> @@ -31,7 +31,7 @@
>>>>> >>>>        -->
>>>>> >>>>   <groupId>org.apache</groupId>
>>>>> >>>>   <artifactId>apache</artifactId>
>>>>> >>>> -  <version>8</version>
>>>>> >>>> +  <version>9-SNAPSHOT</version>
>>>>> >>>>   <packaging>pom</packaging>
>>>>> >>>>   <name>The Apache Software Foundation</name>
>>>>> >>>>   <description>
>>>>> >>>> @@ -94,9 +94,9 @@
>>>>> >>>>     
>>>>> >>>> <sourceReleaseAssemblyDescriptor>source-release</sourceReleaseAssemblyDescr
>>>>> >>>> iptor>
>>>>> >>>>   </properties>
>>>>> >>>>   <scm>
>>>>> >>>> -    
>>>>> >>>> <connection>scm:svn:http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/maven/pom/tags/apache-8
>>>>> >>>> </connection>
>>>>> >>>> -    
>>>>> >>>> <developerConnection>scm:svn:https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/maven/pom/tag
>>>>> >>>> s/apache-8</developerConnection>
>>>>> >>>> -    <url>http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/maven/pom/tags/apache-8</url>
>>>>> >>>> +    
>>>>> >>>> <connection>scm:svn:http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/maven/pom/trunk/asf</co
>>>>> >>>> nnection>
>>>>> >>>> +    
>>>>> >>>> <developerConnection>scm:svn:https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/maven/pom/tru
>>>>> >>>> nk/asf</developerConnection>
>>>>> >>>> +    <url>http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/maven/pom/trunk/asf</url>
>>>>> >>>>   </scm>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>   <build>
>>>>> >>>> @@ -111,7 +111,7 @@
>>>>> >>>>         <plugin>
>>>>> >>>>           <groupId>org.apache.maven.plugins</groupId>
>>>>> >>>>           <artifactId>maven-assembly-plugin</artifactId>
>>>>> >>>> -          <version>2.2-beta-5</version>
>>>>> >>>> +          <version>2.2</version>
>>>>> >>>>         </plugin>
>>>>> >>>>         <plugin>
>>>>> >>>>           <groupId>org.apache.maven.plugins</groupId>
>>>>> >>>> @@ -141,7 +141,7 @@
>>>>> >>>>         <plugin>
>>>>> >>>>           <groupId>org.apache.maven.plugins</groupId>
>>>>> >>>>           <artifactId>maven-enforcer-plugin</artifactId>
>>>>> >>>> -          <version>1.0-beta-1</version>
>>>>> >>>> +          <version>1.0</version>
>>>>> >>>>         </plugin>
>>>>> >>>>         <plugin>
>>>>> >>>>           <groupId>org.apache.maven.plugins</groupId>
>>>>> >>>> @@ -186,7 +186,7 @@
>>>>> >>>>         <plugin>
>>>>> >>>>           <groupId>org.apache.maven.plugins</groupId>
>>>>> >>>>           <artifactId>maven-release-plugin</artifactId>
>>>>> >>>> -          <version>2.0-beta-9</version>
>>>>> >>>> +          <version>2.1</version>
>>>>> >>>>           <configuration>
>>>>> >>>>             <useReleaseProfile>false</useReleaseProfile>
>>>>> >>>>             <goals>deploy</goals>
>>>>> >>>> @@ -225,9 +225,14 @@
>>>>> >>>>         <plugin>
>>>>> >>>>           <groupId>org.apache.maven.plugins</groupId>
>>>>> >>>>           <artifactId>maven-surefire-plugin</artifactId>
>>>>> >>>> -          <version>2.4.3</version>
>>>>> >>>> +          <version>2.7.2</version>
>>>>> >>>>         </plugin>
>>>>> >>>>         <plugin>
>>>>> >>>> +          <groupId>org.apache.rat</groupId>
>>>>> >>>> +          <artifactId>apache-rat-plugin</artifactId>
>>>>> >>>> +          <version>0.7</version>
>>>>> >>>> +        </plugin>
>>>>> >>>> +        <plugin>
>>>>> >>>>           <groupId>org.codehaus.mojo</groupId>
>>>>> >>>>           <artifactId>clirr-maven-plugin</artifactId>
>>>>> >>>>           <version>2.2.2</version>
>>>>> >>>> @@ -240,7 +245,7 @@
>>>>> >>>>         <plugin>
>>>>> >>>>           <groupId>org.codehaus.modello</groupId>
>>>>> >>>>           <artifactId>modello-maven-plugin</artifactId>
>>>>> >>>> -          <version>1.2</version>
>>>>> >>>> +          <version>1.4.1</version>
>>>>> >>>>         </plugin>
>>>>> >>>>       </plugins>
>>>>> >>>>     </pluginManagement>
>>>>> >>>> @@ -333,9 +338,6 @@
>>>>> >>>>           <plugin>
>>>>> >>>>             <groupId>org.apache.maven.plugins</groupId>
>>>>> >>>>             <artifactId>maven-javadoc-plugin</artifactId>
>>>>> >>>> -            <configuration>
>>>>> >>>> -              <encoding>${project.build.sourceEncoding}</encoding>
>>>>> >>>> -            </configuration>
>>>>> >>>>             <executions>
>>>>> >>>>               <execution>
>>>>> >>>>                 <id>attach-javadocs</id>
>>>>> >>>> @@ -351,6 +353,7 @@
>>>>> >>>>             <artifactId>maven-gpg-plugin</artifactId>
>>>>> >>>>             <configuration>
>>>>> >>>>               <passphrase>${gpg.passphrase}</passphrase>
>>>>> >>>> +              <useAgent>true</useAgent>
>>>>> >>>>             </configuration>
>>>>> >>>>             <executions>
>>>>> >>>>               <execution>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Thanks !
>>>>> >>>> --
>>>>> >>>> Olivier Lamy
>>>>> >>>> http://twitter.com/olamy
>>>>> >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/olamy
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> [1] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/maven/pom/trunk/asf/pom.xml
>>>>> >>>> [2] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/maven/pom/trunk/maven/pom.xml
>>>>> >>>>
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