Not sure where to get into this thread, but I'd just like to add my
perspective on this topic.

For this first release I would prefer it to not include any of the more
advanced slf4j implementations, like a few others have already also stated.
Using simple would give us a good start on this new path while we
investigate what we and the community want feature wise and then select an
implementation based on these requirements. However, if slf4-simple can't
do the job of the old behavior when we might not have that option
unfortunately. Or, possibly we could live with these deficiencies? I'll
leave that to others working with that to decide.

But if we have to decide on a more advanced implementation my choice would
be logback. My choice is based on two things where one being a past
experience where I developed an audit logging solution based on logback,
where my research showed that log4j had so many deficiencies when it came
to more advanced cases. log4j2 might be a different story with this fixed
though, but I don't see any reason trying something else when there is
proven option. Secondly, I have good confidence in Ceki and that he will
help us out should we need that. I'm not saying those working with log4j2
will not, it's just that I don't know their track record as I know Ceki's.

But to repeat myself, going simple in the first release would be so much
better. Then we could get our requirements after this first release and do
a selection based on them rather than just a gut feeling. Although using
slf4j as the API gives us the technical possibility of switching impl later
on, I don't think we want that as we can probably expect some people do
solutions expecting a specific impl (as we've seen in the Sonar plugin for
example).

/Anders


On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Stephen Connolly <
stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, 9 December 2012, Kristian Rosenvold wrote:
>
> > 2012/12/9 Olivier Lamy <ol...@apache.org <javascript:;>>:
> > > Perso I'm fine using log4j2.
> > > I use the branch I pushed for some weeks now and I'm happy.
> > > Log4j2 has quickly added a feature I needed and release it.
> > > Furthermore I'm fine working with an Apache community in case of any
> > > issue we could have.
> >
> > I'm not entirely sure I follow where this discussion is actually
> > going,  but I'm firmly opposed
> > to including a brand new logging framework as default in m3.
> >
> >
> +1
>
>
> > Kristian
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